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Recessed Lighting Problems

By Tim Carter
©1993-2008 Tim Carter
Summary: Have recessed lighting with a mind of its own? Your recessed lights go off and on without the switch being activated? Are you getting ready to add extra insulation in your attic? If so, avoid problems and take a few moments to read this column.

DEAR TIM: My husband installed some recessed lights in a family room we just built. I think he goofed something up. Every time I turn the lights on, 10 minutes later they automatically turn off. Also, I feel a draft through these fixtures. Did we make a mistake purchasing recessed lights? T. G.

DEAR T. G.: No. However, your husband very likely made several mistakes during the installation. Some of these are potentially very serious and could result in a fire. Do not use the lights again until you have them checked by a professional or by your local electrical inspector. By the way, the electrical inspector DID look at the lights and wiring before they were covered, didn't he? I hope your flashlight batteries are fresh. Recessed lighting is a very functional type of lighting. It can be used to create a border of light in a room, flood work areas with light, spotlight pictures or sculptures, and as general purpose lighting. Personally, I prefer to mix recessed lights with other types of lighting fixtures. This creates layers of light that can be; peeled from one another to create different moods.

There are several reasons why your recessed lights turn off by themselves. All Underwriters Laboratory (UL) approved recessed lighting fixtures produced since the early 1980's must have a thermal protection switch built into the fixture. This device will turn off the light if the temperature inside the fixture gets too hot. After the light cools down, the light will magically turn back on. If this is happening to you, the light is telling you that there is a problem. Your problem may be the ceiling insulation. Some recessed fixtures are allowed to be smothered in insulation. These often are designated IC fixtures. Fixtures without this designation must have a minimum of 3 inches of clearance between the fixture, its junction box, ballasts and any insulation. The National Electric Code specifically states that nothing should be installed above these fixtures that will either trap heat or block free air circulation through the fixture.

In your case, your husband may have installed a fixture without the IC designation. If insulation is too close or on top of this fixture, the fixture will overheat. The problem may also be as simple as the light bulb within the fixture. If it is too large (too high a wattage), the bulb is creating too much heat. Remove the bulb and look inside the recessed light housing. You should see labeling which tells you the maximum wattage of the bulb that you can place in the fixture. Be sure to use the approved light trims for the fixture as well. Intermixing trims between fixtures can cause you to loose your UL rating.

Finally, the draft you feel is unnecessary. Many manufacturers now make recessed lights that are completely sealed. Using these fixtures can save you money. A single recessed light fixture that is not airtight can allow up to 2.5 million cubic feet of air to pass through it in one year. This type of air flow could waste up to 1 million BTU's of energy loss per fixture per year!

If you are looking for an great book for installing simple wall lights to running wire in new construction and in existing walls and ceilings,then Wiring a House is the book for you. With its wealth of practical know how this book, written by a master electrician, is sure to become an indispensable reference for anyone who wants a common sense guide to residential electricity. The black and white photos and illustrations featured in this book are clear, crisp and easy to understand. You must buy a copy of Wiring a House, a great hardback book published by Taunton Press.

Here's a complete, full - color guide to all aspects of residential wiring and how to apply them to the wiring of a typical house. Electrical Wiring Residential, is another must have book. It's everything anyone could need to know, from wiring a lighting branch circuit, to installing a service entrance or swimming pool. Loaded with examples, wiring diagrams, spectacular photos and illustrations explaining all the new 1999 NEC requirements throughly. This book is easy to read and understand, yet has all the instructions and details needed to perform virtually any residential wiring job properly.

If you are looking for a book with invaluable information on tools and materials, detailed instructions for how to repair or replace wiring in old buildings and bring them up to code then you need a copy of Old Electrical Wiring. This 400 plus page book tells you everything you could ever imagine about switch layouts, troubleshooting, and design change. It also has an extensive glossary of old wiring terms and slang. Packed with drawings and illustrations, including pictures of old devices, this practical book will tell you whether an old electrical system should be torn out or repaired. This book will really help you.

 






Comments

Al
17 Dec 2007, 18:13
I have a recessed light that the thermal protector has gone bad. Where can I purchase just the thermal protector.

Thank You
Al
AsktheBuilder
17 Dec 2007, 19:26
Al,
At an electrical supply house that sells the brand of recessed light.
John
26 Dec 2007, 18:29
I have a group of six recessed lights in my kitchen, it has been working fine for a couple of years after installation. Now that whenever I replaced these bulbs (same wattage as I have always used), the bulbs will blown out after just a few days (vs. over a year or two before), what could be the problem? how should I fix this? thanks very much!
AsktheBuilder
27 Dec 2007, 07:24
John,
I have a column here at the website about this exact situation. Always try to spend time browsing past columns.
Mary
08 Jan 2008, 12:59
Tim,
We had our kitchen redone lately and had a lot of recessed lighting installed. But they give off this high-pitched whistle or hum. Not all the time, but when they do, it's very annoying. What's causing it? And how we can make it stop? I'm concerned we're going to get all the neighborhood dogs in our yard once it's nice enough out to open up the windows!
Mary
AsktheBuilder
08 Jan 2008, 14:27
Mary,
I have never heard of this symptom. Is it related to when the wind blows outdoors? Buy dog biscuits in bulk.......
Patrick
30 Jan 2008, 00:31
Tim,

I installed six recessed lights in my MBR. I am having a littile trouble with the wiring. I am trying to wirie the lights to an existing power source controlling my ceiling fan in the room. I also bought a dimmer switch to control the recessed light. Problem is when I connect the the wire from the last recessed light that that is seriesed togehter from the six lights, to the power source from the fan, I get nothing as far as power to the recessed lights. The only thing that happens is when I turn on the dimmer switch, well it now controls the fan. What am I doing wrong. Food for thoguht I know for a fact that the power source coming from the breaker box is seriesed to several outlet in the the MBR to include the ceiling fan. Could that be the problem?
AsktheBuilder
30 Jan 2008, 09:33
Patrick,
This will sound nuts, but watch my video titled Light Switch Wiring. When you understand the basics, you will get it right. You need to separate in your head where the power is, how it gets to the switch and then how it gets to the first light.
Rob
10 Feb 2008, 10:59
Hi Tim - my case is different. I have 3 lights wired together, 2 ressed, 1 light fixture, all using the switch at the top of the steps. Intially, only one recessed light would not come on when the switch was flipped on, but the others would come on. A couple minutes later it would come on also. But now, when I flip the switch, it takes 1-2 minutes before they come on. Almost like they are warming up. I changed the light fixture, the switch at the top of the steps and all the bulbs. I think I have it narrowed down to a specific recessed light, but......? What do you think?
AsktheBuilder
10 Feb 2008, 11:37
Rob,
I think you need to call in an electrician..... or a good handyman that can test all connections and that you have the correct bulbs in place.

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