DIY Bathroom Plumbing

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Summary: Toilet problems may stem from a leaky toilet flange. You can repair a toilet flange, but be careful or you may cause more toilet leaks.

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DEAR TIM: I definitely have a leaking toilet. I have removed the ceiling beneath it and can see an occasional drip of water running down the actual main pipe beneath the toilet. When you go up to the bathroom, the toilet, floor and the walls are bone dry. Is the leak positively originating from the toilet? What could be the problem and the best way to repair it? Is it a realistic do-it-yourself project? Ed P., Essex Junction, VT

DEAR ED: Although I would not bet my life on the source of the leak, I am 99.999 percent sure the source of the leak is a failed seal between the toilet and the toilet flange. The toilet flange is a special drain pipe fitting that allows you to securely connect a toilet to the actual waste piping. The seal between the toilet and the flange could have failed for any number of reasons.

If you look at the underside of a toilet where the water and waste exit the fixture you will see that the china has a shape similar to a crude funnel. The shape of the toilet flange is also like a funnel only it is larger. When mated together properly, the actual china of the toilet fits loosely inside the actual flange. It is a classic male-female connection of sorts.

It is absolutely necessary for this joint to be sealed permanently. Not only does the seal prevent water leaks, but it also prevents harmful and objectionable sewer gas from escaping into your home. There are two ways to make the seal permanent: traditional wax gaskets or a newer seal device that incorporates high grade rubber o-ring seals with an adjustable sliding collar that attaches to the underside of the toilet.

Once you remove your toilet from the flange you will possibly discover that the toilet flange is not at the correct height. It can be either too high or too low with respect to the finish flooring. Being a licensed master plumber, I have learned over the years that the best seal occurs when the top of the toilet flange is one quarter inch higher than the finished flooring. It is also an enormous advantage to have the finish floor level in the area around the toilet. It goes without saying that the top of the toilet flange should also be level.

The toilet flange should also be securely attached to the sub-flooring material. Often this is not the case. Most modern flanges have multiple holes in the outer flange ring. The plumber who installs the flange is supposed to install screws through these holes into the sub-floor below. Do not confuse this task with the function of the actual toilet bolts. The bolts that are used to attach the toilet to the flange will indeed pull the toilet tight against the flange. But if the flange is not secure to the floor, the toilet can still move. Do not rely upon caulk or tile grout between the floor and the toilet to make a toilet like the rock of Gibraltar.

If you discover that the toilet flange is significantly lower than the finished floor surface, you can possibly add flange extenders on top of your existing flange. Not all plumbing inspectors will allow this retrofit. You must make sure that your local plumbing code allows these specialized fittings. These also must be properly sealed so that water and gas can not get between the old flange ring and the new one. If your local code does not permit the use of extenders, the actual piping and flange may have to be re-done. The same is true if the toilet flange is too high.

Working with toilets is not too terribly difficult but there are all sorts of challenges. If you think it is as easy as it is often shown on home improvement television shows, you are in for a surprise! When you disturb an existing toilet you can break the seals between the toilet tank and the toilet bowl. Reconnecting a toilet to the water supply line may also be an adventure. What's more, some plumbing codes and municipalities forbid unlicensed homeowners from working with plumbing drainage and water systems. If you decide to attempt the repair yourself, I sincerely hope you have a second functioning toilet in the home or you feel exceptionally lucky.



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Welcome! I, Tim Carter, don't answer questions here. If you post a question here in the Comments Area, perhaps another visitor will help you. You need to go to the Ask Tim page if you want a question answered. Once there, look closely at how many weeks behind we are. Please be patient as you use this free service. If you have an emergency and need to talk to me, there is an option there for you.
Matt
03 Dec 2007, 09:17
I have a small, visible leak on the back side of my toilet. It is below the rim approximately where there is a bolt. Does that bolt have some sort of seal on it and is that the main cause of the leak? Might there be another reason for the leak?
AsktheBuilder
03 Dec 2007, 09:42
If the leak is at the bolt, you may be able to solve the issue by tightening the bolt. There is a rubber washer that creates the seal. Lift the tank lid and you will see it.
Sean
09 Dec 2007, 21:01
One of the bolts securing my toilet to the toilet flange seems to have been overtightened which caused the slot the bolt goes into on the toilet flange to crack. Can I just add a flange extender to fix the issue because the existing flange also seems to low.
AsktheBuilder
10 Dec 2007, 07:28
Sean,
The answer is a simple Yes.
Randy Bailey
26 Dec 2007, 10:35
HI Tim
My problem is when I flush toilet the waste goes down but some of the waste will come back into the toilet at the end of the flush what could be my problem.
Lora
04 Jan 2008, 17:28
We recently reseated a toilet after adding new tile to the bathroom. Ever since then, there has been a bad odor coming from the area of the toilet. We've attempted to reseat and even replace the flange, no success however in eliminating the odor. Now there is a leak. I assume it is the flange. However, one thing to note, the sewage hole in the floor is oval shaped while the only shape of flange we can find is round. Do we need to find an oval shaped flange and if so, where on earth do we find one? Help! Many thanks.
AsktheBuilder
05 Jan 2008, 08:05
Lora,
You need my Toilet Ebook that is just about finished. Check back soon!
Mike
16 Jan 2008, 09:30
I've been trying to fix a leaky tub for a few days now. First, the leak was from the faucet, so I replaced the washers on the spigot stems and tightened. Now , I get water droplets behind the tub in the access panel whenever it is in the shower position. It's an older tub and I caulked and used putty in and around the stems for fear that water was getting behind them,but that didn't seem to work.
Help ??
AsktheBuilder
17 Jan 2008, 12:40
Mike,
Use a mirror at the access panel and look up to see what is leaking.
Kristy
02 Feb 2008, 20:34
I too have a leak that seemingly stems from a bolt. I just replaced all of the inner workings of the toilet, including the rubber ring between the tank and the base. I replaced the old bolts as well, and the package came with a metal washer to fit between the bolt head and the rubber washer. Is this metal washer necessary, or could it be a source of a leak? Or does it take some time for the rubber seal to take shape and seal the junction entirely?

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