French Doors
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DEAR TIM: My husband and I think we can tackle installing a set of basic French doors in the interior of our 1939 house. These new doors will bring light and a feeling of openness to a small dark bedroom/media room. Our main concern is that the walls are plaster. Can you guide us through the project or is the plaster wall scenario a red flag to have a plaster pro do the installation? We are budget conscious since we will be selling the house in about eight months but think the improvement will be dramatic and pleasing. Angela B. Reed, Portland, OR
DEAR ANGELA: The fact that the interior wall surface is plaster instead of drywall would not stop me for an instant. I can see though, why it might be slightly intimidating for a person who has never worked with plaster. My advice to you is to start this project and not let the presence of the plaster hinder you in any way.
For example, a new French door might come from the factory with a 4 and 9/16ths inch jamb. This jamb works perfectly in a wall made from standard 2x4s, covered with 1/2 inch drywall and a 1/2 inch thick exterior sheathing board. It is very prudent to have the jamb extend about 1/32nd or 1/16th inch past the interior finished wall surface. Your jamb depth will most likely end up somewhere between 4 and 9/16ths and 6 and 9/16ths inch. Several high-quality door manufacturers can make the exact custom jamb you need.
The next task, once you have the correct door in your possession, is to create the rough opening in the wall. Take a tape measure and determine the unit dimensions of the new door. These dimensions are the actual outer width and height of the door including the jambs but not any brick mold or other trim nailed to the jamb. The unit dimension height is the distance from the bottom of the threshold to the top of the jamb. The unit dimension width is the distance from the outside edge of one side of the door to the other outer edge of the other jamb.
The rough opening you create for the new door should be one inch wider than the unit dimension width of the new door and 5/8 inch higher than the unit dimension height of the door. This extra space gives you the needed wiggle room to shim the door as you make the necessary adjustments that allow the door to operate perfectly. This spacing also allows you to insert insulation that cuts down on air infiltration around the new door.
Undoubtedly, a new structural header will need to be installed as part of the creation of the rough opening. Large dimensional lumber such as 2x10's or 2x12's are often used. These in turn rest upon vertical 2x4s or 2x6s that act as columns supporting this wood header beam. These vertical framing members must transfer the weight of the structure above the beam directly to the foundation of the house. You may have to insert solid blocking immediately below the vertical studs and under the floor to create this load pathway to the foundation. If your home is built on a slab, this is of no concern since the outer edges of the slab often are directly connected to the foundation. It is wise to have a structural plan created by a residential structural engineer if you are unsure exactly what to do.
Before you get ready to position the door, make sure you install a flashing pan. These ingenious devices collect any water that might run down the sides of the door and any water that tries to pass through or roll under the threshold. If the pan is installed correctly, it captures any water and redirects it to the exterior of the house. Believe me, thousands of people suffer mysterious leaks adjacent to their exterior doors during wind-blown rainstorms. These leaks often manifest themselves as puddles inside their home at the corners or the center of the door units. In almost every case a properly installed flashing pan would have prevented this misery.
Once the door is in place and secure, it is time to re-plaster. You can buy some blue board drywall that will help you fill the gap between the rough wall studs and the finished wall surface. This blue board drywall has a special paper that inhibits the water from the plaster from softening and harming the gypsum core of the drywall. Do not use regular drywall under plaster.
This blue board drywall can be covered with a coat of rough base plaster that contains some sand and vermiculite. Build this layer up to within 1/8 inch of the finish surface of the adjacent plaster. The following day add the final coat of plaster or dry setting joint compound to make the wall surface match your existing walls. The dry-setting type joint compounds mix easily with water and have the workability of traditional drywall compounds. Once dry, they can be sanded. Traditional white-coat plaster can't be sanded and is not a product to use if you are a plaster rookie!
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Patricia S. 26 Jan 2008, 20:49
Hi Tim:
I am looking to add French doors in my formal living room. The door space is so not standard (87x91)and it has arch. I live in the north part of dallas tx. Is there a place you can recomend (or ideas) where we can buy the right door. Thank you so much Patricia.
AsktheBuilder 27 Jan 2008, 07:24
Patricia,
I would make every effort to locate a traditional lumber company in your area. Many have magnificent showrooms with many interior doors on display. What's more, the real craftsmen buy from these places and you might run into a master finish carpenter while you are there!
Hugh 01 Feb 2008, 08:22
Is there a standard distance between door knobs on French doors?
AsktheBuilder 01 Feb 2008, 09:04
Hugh,
Yes and no. It depends on the diameter of the knobs and the width of the door stile.
Steve J 01 Apr 2008, 12:39
I'm looking for a source to buy 6 foot french doors that are going to be
ajoining to an expanded porch that used to be an extrior wall, but now will
an the entrance from a bedroom out to this new 14 X 24 foot exposed beam
space! I want them to be as weather resistent to infiltration as during the
winter months the new space may not be heated!
I can do all the work! Thanks in advance
mike wilson 30 May 2008, 16:32
I need to install a 60X80 exterior french door component in a space with
the outside measurements of 69X80. The exterior is brick. I can't afford a
special order. How would I go about scaling down the size of that opening?
I need to take off 4.5 inches on each side.
Stephen Johnson 31 May 2008, 11:37
Interesting.... mouse software that makes reading anything on the page a
pain in the touche! It is annoying, but I guess something new that makes
for something the internet community will find useful!
I am a seasoned builder of many many things! The debate about plaster is something that always bugs me! I have a 1940's home that ia most all plaster! I have had to do a number of repairs from cracked plaster ceiling (with the swirls), that involved removing the loose stuff and trying to duplicate the swirls! Not successful, but it was the best I could do..., to wall repairs! And soon I am putting in some french doors alaagous the situation in this email! Tell me.., what is wrong with mixing drywall compound with plaster? As long as it is getting painted then the difference in color should not matter! Seems ot me the various types of plaster and the chemical supposed inability for why this stuff is not compatible, makes for excuses the plastering community still has a job! Granted, I don't want to take anyones job away from them, but just like confusing issues with drugs..., the drug companies come up with anything the gullble public will swallow and THE CUSTOMER pays the bill! So enlighten me about the inability of my question here! Thank You, (a fan of This old House) Steve
James Loomis 03 Jun 2008, 08:14
Tim,
I need three sets of interior french doors. Opening size of each doorway is 34WX84H. They need to open in the middle. Can't find any available that have 17 inch single doors. What do you have? Any suggestions. They will be painted. Thanks for your help. Jim
Rafael 23 Jun 2008, 06:59
I am considering replacing 2 windows in my living room with french doors.
My question is on the other side the is no floor since the windows are in
the second floor and I would like to know if there is wrough iron to use as
protection from falling down?
Thank you, Rafael
David S. 23 Jun 2008, 22:03
Please respond to Mike Wilson's post, which was submitted on May 30, 2008.
I am interested in hearing your advice. Thanks.
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