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Ice, Frost and Water in an Attic

By Tim Carter
©1993-2008 Tim Carter
Summary: Ice, frost and other condensation need to be removed from your attic. Mold, mildew or rot can occur. Exhaust them with turbine vents.

DEAR TIM: My wife Ali and I bought an old house 18 months ago. Last winter I noticed condensation and water droplets on the nails that stick through the roof into the attic. At times there was ice and frost on the nails. Boxes stored in the attic were sometimes wet. We had our house resided with vinyl and added two gable vents. Was that a mistake? The house has no vapor retarder between the attic insulation and the second-floor ceiling. Should I install one? What can I do to stop the moisture problem? Brian Z., Kingston, PA

DEAR BRIAN: The water problem is serious but can be easily corrected. Hopefully you have no mildew or wood rot in your attic. If you have dodged these two bullets, consider yourself very lucky. Many people suffer from severe mold and wood rot problems because they simply do not inspect their attic spaces until it is too late.

The gable vents you added were a good start, but they are probably not enough. To stop the condensation, you must have a continuous, or nearly continuous, flow of air moving through the attic. This air flow exhausts warmer more humid air that is seeping from your living spaces up into your attic. I happen to believe in abundant and continuous soffit ventilation that allows air to enter at the low portions of the attic space and then exit out the top of the roof through wind-powered turbine vents.

The water develops on the roofing nails first because they readily conduct cold. When you see water and ice on the nails, the actual temperature of the nails is at or below the dew point of the air in the attic that is saturated with water vapor. You see this same thing happen in summer months when you place a glass of cold water or a can of cold soda or beer on an outdoor table. If you live anywhere but the Southwest, water droplets usually form on the cold outer surfaces of the glass or can within minutes.

Adding a vapor retarder on the warm side of the insulation between the attic and the living areas of your home might be a problem. Not only is it difficult to do, but it might also create hidden problems. If cold attic air somehow makes it way through a weak spot in the insulation, it may cause water to condense on the underside of the vapor retarder. Many in the building technologies sector feel vapor retarders are great in wall cavities, but should be avoided in most ceilings.

The better solution is to let the water vapor escape into the attic but quickly escort it to the outside of your home. As I already said, turbine vents coupled with abundant intake air at the soffit level will keep your attic nice and dry.

In addition, be sure you do not have any exhaust air from any fans or dryers emptying into the attic space. Bathroom and kitchen exhaust fans can pump vast amount of water vapor into an attic in a short amount of time. Clothes dryers are even worse. They can pumps gallons of water into an attic space in just an hour or so. All of these fans and appliances must be vented directly to the exterior of your home. Never allow them to exit near the soffit intake vents as the humid air will then be drawn into the attic space without your knowledge.

I prefer to pipe exhaust air through the attic in solid smooth metal pipe. Several fan companies make special roof caps made for venting the humid air outdoors. They are leak-proof if installed correctly.

 






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scott
09 Dec 2007, 07:02
Hi Tim,

I recently built an all seasons porch, which means we have insulated the ceiling, floor, and what little walls we have. This porch is 15'x16' with five sliding glass doors. Due to the 1/12 pitch we have used metal roofing. I have noticed condensation build up on the underside of the metal. The roof has the one res. gable end with no kind of ventilation. Will I deter condensation if I vapor wrap the entire room, meaning walls and celing.? Will I stop heat from rising to the metal also by adding a ceiling material? I'd be abliged by any thoughts on this matter. Thanks Tim...
AsktheBuilder
09 Dec 2007, 08:13
Scott,
Read my past columns about Indoor Humidity and Condensation. All of your answers and more are there. Bottom Line: You must stop the problem at its source...... Where is the water coming from?
Brandon
16 Dec 2007, 22:18
Hi, how many turbine vents would you reccommend for a 1700 square foot house with a hip roof on each side and two gables on the front? I have vented soffits and a ridge cap but I still have water on my nail heads in my attic. I blew a ton more insulation in last winter but now belive I have a attic ventalation problems so how many turbine vents should I install in a 1700 square foot house?
AsktheBuilder
17 Dec 2007, 06:12
Brandon,
I have multiple columns about the turbine vents and in on of them it has a sizing table that aids you in picking the right size and number.
But you need to also monitor your Indoor Humidity. Read my past columns about that!

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