Gas Fireplaces & Ventless Gas Fireplaces
Summary: Gas fireplaces and ventless gas
fireplaces are delightful. You're probably tired of lugging in those messy
pieces of firewood, tending the fire and frustrated when your wood supply
dwindles. The point is simply this: If any of these problems apply to you, maybe
you should visit your local gas log store.
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Realism
If you are familiar with the gas logs of 20 to 25 years ago, don't quit reading just yet. Those older logs were very fake. The flames were not realistic and the logs themselves just didn't look right.
Today, there is a good chance that if you saw a high quality set of gas logs actually burning, you would very likely think they are real. The logs are extremely realistic. Several manufacturers even offer different wood species! Certain types of gas logs (vented) come with vermiculite and glass wool. When the gas flames lick around these items, they look exactly like glowing embers in a real wood fire. The display is dramatic. In fact, just eight days ago, I installed another set for a friend. We turned the logs on for the first time and my friend was absolutely amazed. You will be too!
The Two Types
Years ago, there was only one type of gas log, that being the vented type. These are still made today. However, energy conservation trends produced gas appliances that are vent free. This technology found its way into the U.S. gas log market not too long ago. The technology actually started in Europe many years ago.
The vented logs are those that require a working chimney. They produce vast amounts of heat (some up to 90,000 BTU's per hour.) But, since you must open the fireplace damper as if burning a wood fire, most of this heat escapes up the chimney (85 to 90 percent!)
Vented gas logs also produce massive amounts of carbon monoxide, a deadly, toxic gas. This carbon monoxide results from the low tech burner that is used to combust the gas. In most cases, the gas simply escapes from a simple pipe that has holes drilled into it. This pipe is usually covered with silica sand. The gas filters through the sand so that the entire area under the gas log set appears to be on fire.
Vent free gas logs are entirely different. They have specially designed burners that are not covered with anything. They are hidden underneath and behind the logs. These burners are adjusted so that enough air is supplied to the burner to combust the natural gas with top efficiency. This combustion process produces a minimum of carbon monoxide.
Furthermore, as an additional safety measure, to protect against the buildup of carbon monoxide in a confined space, vent free logs approved by the American Gas Association (AGA) are equipped with oxygen depletion sensors (ODS). These sensors can tell how much oxygen is left in the air near the bottom of your floor. As carbon monoxide starts to build up, it dilutes/depletes the amount of oxygen in the room(s) / confined space. This, in turn, activates the sensor and the gas shuts off to the logs. All of this happens long before you would feel the effects of carbon monoxide poisoning.
Because you cannot cover the burners of vent free logs with anything, you cannot experience the burning ember effect with these products. These logs are not as realistic as the vented gas logs.
Moisture Problem Potential
The burning of natural gas produces large quantities of water (1.5 gallons for every 100,00 BTU's of gas burned.) If you live in an area that heats with natural gas, just go outside on a cold winter's day and look at everyone's chimney. Do you see that white vapor or steam issuing out from all the chimneys? That is the water vapor that is produced inside of everyone's furnace or hot water heater.
This same thing happens when you ignite your gas log set. If you have a vented set, this vapor travels up the chimney just like that of your furnace or hot water heater. In certain instances (when the gas logs are burning on low), you may have a slight problem. If your chimney is extremely cold, this water vapor might condense and run back down your chimney. When the logs are burning with more intensity, this is usually not a problem, as the flue gets nice and warm.
Vent free logs, on the other hand, can sometimes create massive problems with regard to this moisture. Since the logs do not vent to the outside, all of this moisture is trapped inside your house. Condensation can develop on cold surfaces. If this happens in an area you cannot see (attic, inside exterior walls, etc.), you may begin to experience problems. However, some people who heat with radiators may desire and need this extra humidity in their homes. You will have to judge for yourself.
Safety Issues
If you are not proficient at working with natural gas, by all means have a professional install your gas logs. Also, if you purchase a vented set of gas logs, have your existing chimney cleaned by a professional chimney sweep. The heat and moisture from the gas logs can cause major staining problems with the soot and creosote buildup in wood burning chimneys.
If you purchase a vented set of logs, be sure to fix your fireplace damper in the open position with a clamp. If you fail to do this, carbon monoxide cannot escape out the chimney! With wood fires, you know quickly that a damper is closed because of smoke buildup. This will NOT happen with your gas logs!
Give serious consideration to purchasing a carbon monoxide detector no matter which type of gas log you buy. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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Comments:
TMS 25 Nov 2007, 08:16
I want to remove my gas ventless fireplace. Where do I begin?
ATB 25 Nov 2007, 09:52
The first step is to shut off the gas supply. Then act like you are
installing the unit, but do all of the steps in reverse order.
Mike Durkin 03 Dec 2007, 07:07
I have a fireplace with ventless gas logs, no chimney. Prior to having the
propane tank filled yesterday, the logs worked fine. However, now with the
tank full, the logs are not working properly. Not sure if it was
coincendence or not. The pilot lights fine. When the manual gas valve is
turned on, the fire is fine for ~3 seconds, then goes to a low flame,
eventually shutting off. At times, the pilot will even shut off.
Any idea what may be the problem? thanks
AsktheBuilder 03 Dec 2007, 08:17
Maybe air got in the line?
Donna 03 Dec 2007, 15:10
Hi Tim,
I have had an ventless fireplace line installed (gasline for my fireplace). Plus a new Lyemance energy saving damper installed. It's been about 6 weeks and I still smell something. They say it takes 6 hours for smell to come off the logs but it continues to smell. They even changed the logs but it still smells. Now they say it might be my house??? I even open a window a crack. HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP I want a ventless fireplace but can't stand the smell. Could you please answer why this would happen?? My next door neighbor has the same house with a ventless fireplace and never had a bad smell.
Marc 16 Dec 2007, 22:33
I also get a bad smell from my ventless fireplace. Had them for about 1-1/2
years and they still smell. I bought the best logs money can buy and they
still smell my house up. Do you know what to do about it?
AsktheBuilder 17 Dec 2007, 06:16
Marc,
You bet. I would be contacting the manufacturer as well as the manager of the store where they were purchased. We both know that odors are not part of the deal. You need to discover if it is just a dirt and dust issue when they are first used after sitting, or is it an impure fuel issue?
Mike 17 Dec 2007, 12:21
I have a vented gas fireplace and i am getting a real bad draft of wind
coming in from it. I currently put a sheet over it to block the cold air
from coming in. It looks like the pipe goes straight out the back of the
house, and it has a bump out (i think it is called a dog house area) that
contains the fireplace and the pipe.
Is there anything i can do about this? Thanks
AsktheBuilder 17 Dec 2007, 13:24
Mike,
Check to see if the device has a damper that can be closed.
Paul 19 Dec 2007, 17:58
I'm looking for a very good looking, realistic gas log set (up to 150,000
btuh, 42" wide). Do you have any suggestions?
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