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Toilet Troubles - Catching The Phantom Flusher

By Tim Carter
©1993-2009 Tim Carter

Summary: Toilet troubles vex, but are usually easy to fix. Toilets may leak, make noise or flush with lost force. You can do simple do it yourself toilet repair.

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DEAR TIM: I am having toilet troubles. Every toilet in my house seems to have a different problem. The second floor toilet fills with water every 4 hours or so without being flushed. The powder room toilet just doesn't flush well. Once flushed, water doesn't seem to leave the bowl area quickly like it did when it was new. The basement toilet moans, groans, and whistles as it fills with water after each flush. Is it time to apply for a loan and call in the plumber? Veronica D., Crown Point, IN

DEAR VERONICA: Don't go to the bank just yet. Believe it or not, each one of those toilet problems can be fixed by a determined homeowner. In fact, I once helped a woman fix a toilet by just giving her simple instructions over the telephone. She succeeded and saved herself some significant money by not calling in a plumber. Keep in mind that a few states have exceedingly restrictive plumbing codes. I know it sounds crazy, but if you live in one of these states, you may not be legally permitted to perform simple repairs on your own toilets. Check your local building department to see if you are permitted to make minor toilet repairs.

Installing the parts you see on the toilet seat will usually silence all but the most possesed of toilets.
Installing the parts you see on the toilet seat will usually silence all but the most possesed of toilets.
Let's start at the top and work down. Your second floor toilet is often referred to as a phantom flusher. You think it has flushed because you here the toilet tank filling with water. No ghosts or goblins flushed the toilet. The ball cock valve in the tank turned itself on because the water level in the tank dropped. This happens because the rubber flapper valve in the bottom of the tank wears out or deforms and doesn't seat properly.

You can test for this problem very easily. Remove any sanitizing products from your toilet that may color the water. Flush the toilet once or twice so the toilet bowl water and tank water are perfectly clear. After the toilet stops running completely, add 10 drops of green food coloring to the toilet tank water. Check the toilet in 30 minutes and see if the water in the toilet bowl has a green tint. If it has, it is time to install a simple flapper valve repair kit. They are sold at virtually every hardware store, plumbing supply house, and home center.

The powder room toilet may have one or more problems. The sluggish flushing could be caused by a partial blockage in the drain line, a blockage within the toilet, or a mineral deposit buildup within the toilet bowl. Take a few moments and thoroughly clean the toilet bowl. Pour a bucket of water rapidly into the bowl. This will evacuate most of the water in the bowl. Wearing rubber gloves, use a sponge to remove the last traces of water from the toilet bowl. Place a small mirror in the bottom of the toilet so that you can see up into the toilet drain pathway. Look for plastic army men, rubber ducks, hair rollers or anything else that may be lodged at the top of the drain passage.

Watch this video on the Flapper Valve.
Watch this video on the Flapper Valve.

If you can't see any obstructions, the toilet bowl rim and the syphon jet hole at the bottom of the toilet bowl may be partially clogged with hard water mineral deposits. Remove the toilet tank lid and lay it flat on the floor. Using a large funnel, pour a gallon of white vinegar into the vertical overflow tube in the center of the toilet tank.The vinegar will dissolve hard water deposits in the small holes that are in the underside of the toilet bowl rim and the larger syphon jet hole in the bowl. Use a toothpick and a Popsicle stick in these holes to help loosen hard water scale. In severe cases, you may need to treat the toilet with vinegar several times over a period of days to see an improvement. If not, it is time to call the plumber for this toilet.

The basement toilet complains as it fills because the ball cock valve is probably past its prime. Older valves have a float ball made from plastic or brass. As the water level in the tank rises, the valve starts to slowly close. When the valves get worn, they start to get noisy. Newer toilet fill valves keep the water running at full capacity until the tank is full. These valves are easy to install and are made to fit just about any toilet. Don't be intimidated by toilet repairs. The insides of a toilet tank look confusing, but in reality they are child's play.



Comments:

Dan Dicus
17 Dec 2007, 21:47
I just recently remodeled my upstairs bathroom. New tub, new toilet, new tile, etc.
The problem I have now is, after you flush the toilet and the bowl refills, the bowl slowly empties again and stays empty until flushed again. Also, now get a sewer odor in the bathroom (I'm sure its probably because the bowl empties.
Please Help!
Thanks, Dan
AsktheBuilder
18 Dec 2007, 08:20
Dan,
It sounds like you might have a defective toilet. A crack in the colon will cause this. Test it by slowly pouring a bucket of water into the bowl. If the water comes up to the normal fill level and then slowly drops, the colon is cracked.
chris_j
18 Dec 2007, 14:02
toilet troubles:we were just returned from 4 days away and we had 9 inches of snow and an inch of ice to top it off. The toilets do not flush normally today. The water drains slowly and we hear gurgling in the tub. Draining the tub causes bubbling in the toilets too. I can force flush by adding two gallons of water to the bowl but flushing normally is so slow "floating matter" stays in the bowl. Could this be caused by a partially blocked stack vent? We have well water and septic system. Temperatures have been in the single digits. This is true in both toilets so it has to be a drain problem, any advice appreciated!
AsktheBuilder
18 Dec 2007, 17:11
Chris,

It sounds like the snow and ice may have plugged the roof vents. This can happen in times of deep snow..... It is rare, but it surely can happen.
Trudy
19 Jan 2008, 21:38
We have new Toto toilets in our home. Can we treat the bowl with anything before we move in to make then easier to keep clean? like use a car wax or something? I heard this was good for fiberglass, but not sure about porcelain.
Thanks
AsktheBuilder
20 Jan 2008, 08:45
Trudy,
Porcelain is *glass*....... You keep them looking perfect for years by avoiding abrasive cleaners and by using white vinegar if you start to see a slight hard-water deposits.....
Amy
16 Feb 2008, 22:04
We are finishing up a complete remodel of our master bathroom. The water was shut of for 6 weeks. Now when we flush the toilet, it vibrates all the pipes in the house. What can we do to fix it?
AsktheBuilder
17 Feb 2008, 07:27
Amy,
Try adjusting the shut off valve. Either open it all the way, or partially close it. The fill valve in the toilet may be the problem as the water passing through it is causing it to vibrate. Switch it out with the most expensive Fluidmaster one you can buy.
Diya
19 Feb 2008, 23:25
When I flush my toilet the water just rises to the top. The water doesn't go anywhere until I plunge it downwards. Can you tell what is wrong and how do I go about fixing this problem?

wendy
20 Feb 2008, 09:57
hi,hope you can help i have recently found there is no water at all filling into my toilet tank even if i push the ball cock down not one drop of water appears

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