Wood Flooring
DEAR TIM: I really would like to have a solid hardwood floor but my existing house has a concrete slab. Is it possible to install a hardwood floor on top of concrete? How in the world do you attach the strips of hardwood to the concrete? What needs to be done to insure that the floor looks as good as one installed on a wood sub-floor? Stacey C., Boulder, CO
DEAR STACEY: If your slab surface is level with the outside earth or is an elevated concrete slab you can install traditional hardwood flooring over it. Concrete slabs that are below ground level are not candidates for solid hardwood flooring. If you have such a slab, I would consider installing an engineered hardwood flooring. This material is made by taking different plys or layers of wood and gluing them together to make a wood product that is more stable when subjected to elevated levels of humidity often found in basements or below grade slabs.
Wood is a hygroscopic material. In other words, wood changes its shape in response to changes in relative humidity or the presence of liquid water. As the humidity goes up or if wood gets wet, it swells. As the wood dries it shrinks or contracts. This type of movement can cause all sorts of problems with finished wood floors or even wood furniture. For this reason, it is important that the hardwood stays dry and at or near constant humidity levels before, during and after installation.
To test any slab for excess moisture, simply vacuum a small area first. Then tape a 15 inch square piece of clear polyethylene film to the slab using two strips of duct tape along each of the four edges. If no condensation or fog develops under the plastic after 48 hours, the slab is sufficiently dry. If the slab is wet, then heat the space and open windows or use a dehumidifier to draw moisture from the slab. Retest the floor for moisture content once you think it has dried.
The hardwood flooring is fastened to plywood or 2x4 strips that are securely attached to the concrete. Keep in mind that the height of your finished floor will end up at least one and one half to two and one quarter inches above the slab height depending upon which wood subfloor you decide to use. This raised floor can be a problem at doorways if you or the builder do not plan for this.
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Before the plywood or 2x4 sleeper strips are attached to the floor, an additional vapor barrier must be installed on top of the dry concrete. Use the same high performance plastic that should have been used below the slab. The concrete floor needs to be level or in the same plane. Use a 6 foot long straightedge to check for high and low spots. Standard asphalt shingles make excellent shims to fill in low spots. The vapor barrier can be installed over the shingles and then the wood on top of that.
Fastening the plywood or 2x4 strips to the concrete can be done one of several ways. You can buy special hardened concrete screws that can bite into the sides of a pre-drilled hole in the concrete slab. Driving these screws requires a powerful screw gun to accomplish the task. A simple yet effective method is to drill a 1/4 inch hole through the wood and then directly into the concrete. The depth of the hole should be 3.5 inches. Take two 16 penny sinker nails and drive them side by side at the same time into the hole. Use a 20 ounce or larger hammer to drive the nails and strike them squarely. Believe it or not, the nails will bite into the concrete and hold the wood securely to the slab.
Before you actually install the hardwood flooring, make sure the room has been heated to room temperature for at least five days before the flooring is delivered. Once the wood is delivered, remove any packaging so it can acclimate. The wood needs to be exposed to the room temperature and humidity for at least an additional five days before you actually begin to install it.
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gillian draper 06 Apr 2008, 05:49
Hi Tim
Could you tell me where to buy and how to apply caulk to the gaps between my wooden floors to stop the draughts Thankyou
AsktheBuilder 09 Apr 2008, 19:35
Gillian,
Sure, read my caulking columns. I talk there about how to really use a caulk gun.
Michelle Baker 23 Jul 2008, 17:59
My husband and I are converting a 1945 industrial space into a loft. We
will be laying a hardwood floor (quarter sawn) over radiant heat; 15lb
paper, Celfort 300, chicken wire, sleepers on 10" centers, PEX running
inbetween, sand covering the PEX, and finally the woodfloor. We have been
working with Warmtoes in Vermont for the plan. We are currently preparing
the subfloor on slab on grade concrete. There are up to 2" differences in
the level of the concrete (total space 22' x 92'). I have read to use
plywood and roof shingles to level the floor. Do you have any other
suggestions on how to level such large differences? Or any other
suggestions/opinion for the project described?
Thanks, Michelle
JB 06 Sep 2008, 14:36
I am installing an engineered 4" wood floor over a concrete slab. Do I
have to install the sleepers or can I just go with the 3/4" plywood on top
of the vapor barrier? When I screw in the plywood, aren't I breaking the
seal of the vapor barrier?
CMH 12 Jan 2009, 09:59
I have an above-grad slab on my first level. I'd like to insulate it a
little more to avoid cold tiles and laminate and don't like the thought of
carpet directly on concrete. What's the best option? I thought about
putting down plywood since it's dry and I don't have any moisture problems.
Would this provide sufficient insulation and would it be up-to-code?
Leslie 21 Apr 2009, 13:24
Michael, I think you need to ask about a vapor barrier..Look at the pic
above..I was just curious to see what the barrier looked like, but I still
see nothing. I think a vapor barrier is nothing but stips of plywood..Can't
tell ya!
Les
Rachel 29 Jun 2009, 13:12
We had a leak in the bathroom. That coaused major damage to the floor. The
floor rotted and we are replacing it. What would be the best wood to
purchase and how thick should it be.
Katie 16 Sep 2009, 12:58
I am installing douglas fir planks over a concrete slab. The wood will
butt up against ceramic tile applied directly to the slab. I am reading all
your advice and am wondering how to install subfloors etc and not have a
wood floor towering over the tile. Can I just glue down plastic to
concrete then glue down wood to plastic? The slab is in the high desert
and is approximately 15 years old.
Chad Hyett 16 Sep 2009, 13:45
CHeck out a product called Delta FL or platon. It allows you to put plywood
down over the concrete with Tapcons. It creates an air gap and gets rid of
moisture.
carmel smith 03 Oct 2009, 19:54
Can you tell me what kind if timber flooring was used in the 1940's
as I need to replace some boards View all comments |


