Underlayment for Floors
DEAR TIM: In the very near future, I will be installing lots of new and different flooring materials in my home. Can I just remove the carpeting and install my flooring material over the existing subfloor or do I need to install an underlayment? Since I want my new floors to look as good as possible, what is the best thing to do? I am very concerned about the kitchen and bathroom areas since water seems to find its way through and under any finished flooring material. Jennifer M., Atlanta, GA
DEAR JENNIFER: You are very wise to think before you act with respect to all of your new flooring. It is my guess that the total cost of the new flooring will be substantial and the last thing you want is for it to fail or fail prematurely because it was installed improperly. Finished flooring, even carpeting, needs a solid foundation for it to perform well over time. All too often some builders and remodelers as well as poorly trained installers overlook the importance of floor underlayments. Most flooring failures or problems are traced to inadequate or poorly installed flooring underlayments.
For many years, wood based products have dominated the flooring underlayment industry. Plywood, oriented strand board, sawdust composites, cement board, etc. are widely available and are commonly the material used in both new home construction and remodeling jobs. The wood based underlayments can warp and swell when exposed to moisture. This can cause the finished flooring to buckle and fail even if the underlayment relaxes after it dries out.
Many consumers and tradespeople, unfortunately, assume lots of things about finished flooring such as ceramic tile, hardwood, laminate flooring, cork, sheet vinyl, vinyl tile, etc. They feel that if the sub-floor or underlayment looks and feels substantial then it is fine to proceed with the finished flooring. The truth of the matter is that it is far more complicated. Many finished flooring products have specific recommendations with respect to the type of material the finished flooring is placed upon. Even adhesive manufacturers are sensitive to the type of underlayment being used. For example, an adhesive may work well with the vinyl or ceramic tile, but who cares about that if it bonds poorly to the underlayment?
A new underlayment product has recently hit the marketplace that is very attractive to a wide bandwidth of the flooring industry. This product is a gypsum fiber panel that has many positive qualities. It is smooth, has superior water resistance, has higher impact resistance than traditional wood based products, can be cut with a utility razor knife, is made with 95 percent recycled materials and is competitively priced.
Keep in mind that many traditional wood based underlayments contain resins, adhesives, solvents or dyes that can sometimes seep through and into the finished flooring material. If this happens, your finished flooring can be ruined. The new gypsum fiber underlayment does not contain any of these problematic ingredients.
The new gypsum fiber product is available in two thicknesses: 1/4 and 3/8 inch. This variety allows you to create flush finish floor transitions when you change from one material to another. There is no reason why an angled transition threshold has to be used if you are installing finished flooring materials that are different thicknesses.
Many flooring problems happen in houses that are built over crawl spaces. All too often an underlayment will buckle or warp because of water vapor that escapes from the soil beneath the crawl space and then permeates the subfloor and underlayment. If you have a crawl space, be sure you cover the soil with a high performance vapor barrier before you install any underlayment or finished flooring material.
It is also very important to make sure that existing wood subfloors are dry before you install an underlayment. The moisture content of a wood subfloor should not exceed 15 percent. Use a moisture meter to test for moisture content. Be sure that the fasteners used to install the underlayment are driven correctly. The top of the fastener should be flush with the top of the underlayment or slightly below the surface. Above all, make sure that you are using an approved underlayment. Get written specifications from the finished flooring manufacturer and choose a product that is on the list.
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Mariana Lima 02 Jan 2008, 20:41
Hi,
Me and my husband will be installing a new bamboo floor, we have already purchased the felt paper. We currently have as a subfloor particle board. We have heard from a few different people that we have to have plywood installed on top of the particle board. Is that true? Or can we install directly onto the particle board.
AsktheBuilder 03 Jan 2008, 07:45
Mariana,
What do the written instructions that come with the bamboo tell you to do????
John 08 Jan 2008, 20:00
Hey Marianna,
I am not a flooring expert. But I have layed about 750sq ft of vertical grained Bamboo. I was a carpenter turned replacement window specialist. I have also done remodel work for awhile. If you lay the Bamboo over the particle board there is a chance the nails will back out. This will allow the flooring to buckle. There also is a difference between what fastener type installers think is the right choice. Staples seemed to cause more problems with Bamboo than nails. So I decided to go with 2" nails. We have been through more than 1 season with our Bamboo, and I hope that any seasonal changes have already happened. If you have any questions feel free to contact us.
dan 07 Feb 2008, 10:49
Am i correct in understanding that it is okay to use 1/4 " Fiberlock gypsum
board under the vinyl in my upstairs bathroom. I have 5 kids and they tend
to slash around .I thought this would be better than 1/4" plywood.To give
me a good smooth surface and water resistance
AsktheBuilder 08 Feb 2008, 09:12
Dan,
That sounds like a good plan. But I would also put two old beach towels at the tub-floor joint each time the water-sports games begin!
Lisa 15 Apr 2008, 08:47
We have old vinyl/linoleum sheet flooring on a below grade concrete floor.
We are planning to use glue down engineered hardwood. Do you know why they
recommend not putting it directly on the sheet flooring? Is it because of
adherence issues, or some other reason?
elizabeth evitts 04 May 2008, 23:36
Dear Tim, I want to install inexpensive peel & stick vinyl tile in my home
for now, and later on replace it with more expensive strip vinyl that looks
like wood. The subfloor is 1/2" particle board over 3/4" plywood. I've
read not to install the vinyl over particle board, so I thought I would
pull up the particle board and replace it with exterior grade plywood or
check into the new gypsum fiber product you mention. My problem is the
"person" who installed the particle board nailed AND glued it down! I fear
it would take me many years, some heavy duty power tools and a sledge
hammer to get it out! It isn't budging. In fact it seems to have become
one with the plywood below it! Since I want to stick to vinyl, would it be
sufficient to just put a layer of plywood over the particle board? If so,
would 1/4" be thick enough?
Many, Many thanks! Elizabeth Evitts
Gerald 11 May 2008, 18:44
I am in the process of getting rid of the carpet in the living room and
hallway of my house to put down 'laminate' flooring. The living room space
is approx. 19'6" x 15'6", and the hallway area is approx. 15'10" x 3'5". If
my calculations are correct, and rounding off, that comes to approx. 384 SF
right? My house is on a 'slab', and I need to know is it Ok to put down
laminate flooring, and what is the best type, as well as what
'underlayment' should be used. I don't know anything about underlayment,
but I see on your website you recommend 'gypsum fiber panel'.
Would Lowe's Home improvement center be a good place to purchase, and have them install my laminate flooring and materials? Thank you.
tom mollura 20 May 2008, 15:11
my upstairs floor makes a cracking sound when walked on.Also,when the sun
hits the west side of the house,it makes a cracking sound,when no one is
walking on it.The noise sounds like the plaster is cracking,but i have no
cracks in the ceiling.Could the glue under the sud-floor be dried
out?Please advise.Thanks,Tom
Eva Bardo 22 May 2008, 14:08
Tim,
We will be installing laminate floors in our upstair bedrooms. I would like to know if there is a difference in all the underlayments for laminate floors that are out there? There is quite a difference in price, and I don't have any money to waste. Is it O.K. to go with cheapest? Eva, Tarzan California View all comments |


