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New High Performance Vapor Retarders

By Tim Carter
©1993-2008 Tim Carter
Summary: Water vapor in small amounts can cause rot. Vapor retarders are essential to preventing damage. Be sure to have high quality vapor barriers installed correctly.

DEAR TIM: I am building a new home. The floors of some of the finished living space will be concrete slabs poured directly on the soil. What is the best material to use to prevent water vapor from passing into the living space where it can fuel mold growth and ruin finished flooring materials? Is the common clear poly vapor barrier good enough? I also own a summer home with a crawl space. Will the same product stop the musty smell in that home? Cindy M., Ocala, FL

DEAR CINDY: You need one of the brand-new revolutionary vapor retarders. Many people call vapor retarders vapor barriers. The term vapor barrier has been mis-used for many years. A true vapor barrier would block all water vapor. The clear plastic products sold in most home centers and building supply businesses allow huge amounts of vapor to pass through them. What's more, some of these products can actually degrade over time. Many soils contain alkali and other chemicals that can cause the readily-available clear plastic products to fail.

The home building industry has experienced tremendous advancements over the past 25 years. Many of the advancements have made houses much tighter and more energy efficient. But these advancements have a price tag attached to them. Because older homes were drafty, they could more easily dissipate water vapor that seeps in through concrete slabs and foundations. Small or moderate amounts of water vapor that raised indoor humidity levels slightly years ago in an older home may cause dangerous mold growth and buckled wood or laminate flooring in a tight newer home. Excess water vapor can sometimes cause water-based flooring adhesives to mold and degrade.

In light of these problems, manufacturers from the flooring industry and those that made vapor retarders worked with independent testing officials to develop a standard by which high quality vapor retarders can be measured and rated for effectiveness. In 1997, ASTM standard E 1745 was established for just this purpose. The bottom line for homeowners such as you and me is simple: you want a vapor retarder that meets this standard. These vapor retarders allow minute amounts of vapor to pass into your home, they resist chemical attack and they are very resistant to punctures during installation and the placement of the concrete over the retarder.

It is absolutely essential that you install the best vapor barrier under concrete slabs as well as any walls that also require vapor protection. The reason is straight forward. It requires an enormous amount of work and expense to re-install a vapor retarder after the fact. You must get it right the first time. The vapor retarders that pass the ASTM E 1745 standard only cost several hundred dollars more for a roll that contains 3,000 square feet of product. This is a small price to pay for long-term moisture control and peace of mind.

Homes with crawl spaces also need these wonderful vapor retarders. When installed according to all manufacturers' specifications, they block the water vapor that is fueling the offensive aromatic microscopic mold growth in your summer home. The manufacturers of these high quality retarders also make special tape that is used to seal seams that may be required should you not be able to place one giant sheet of material under the home. It is vitally important to seal seams with this special tape.

Be sure your builder installs the under-slab vapor retarder correctly. A common mistake is to cut the material carelessly against the foundation. The vapor retarder should actually lap up onto the foundation so that the concrete slab is completely isolated from the soil and the foundation. The special seam tape should also be used to seal the retarder to any pipes or other objects that penetrate through the retarder and the slab. Without the tape, water vapor can escape past these objects.

These high quality vapor retarders are not hard to locate. The best places to find them are businesses that sell concrete supplies to contractors. Look in your Yellow Pages under the heading Concrete - Supplies. Be sure to verify that the vapor retarder you are buying meets the ASTM standard.

August, 2004

The August 2004 edition of Professional Builder magazine (vol. 69, #8, pp. 57-60) had an interesting article on "Choosing Insulation" that touched on vapor retarders. In it the author, Glen Salas, brought up a good point that vapor retarders should not be used in warm climates such as the deep South of the USA. In those areas it is thought that unfaced fiberglass batts should be used in walls.

Glen also says that if you are inclined to add an additional layer of insulation, never install a vapor retarder in between layers of insulation.

One point I disagree with in his article is the placement of a vapor retarder in a ceiling. I feel it is not a good idea and he seems to think it is okay to do this. Glen also says to place a vapor retarder on the room side of insulation above a crawl space, but I feel it is better to stop the water vapor at its source and place the best vapor retarder on the soil and close off the vents to the crawl space to block atmospheric air from entering the crawl space.

 






Comments

Adem
27 Dec 2007, 07:09
Thanks for the helpful article. I'm currently having an addition with a crawlspace built in Illinois. Does it make sense to pour gravel then place a vapor retardant over the gravel? There will be a 4" slab poured over the retardant. Then, I will install insulation between the joists for the above floor space. Is this overkill or ideal?
AsktheBuilder
27 Dec 2007, 07:40
Adem,
It is not overkill.
Kerry
29 Dec 2007, 18:24
Thanks for all the great articles. I have a 33 year old home and the crawl space smells stale/moldy. I looked behind some of pink insulation against the crawlspace wall and found the wood wet with some mold. That section of the wall became dry after an hour of removing the insulation. To tackle this moisture problem, would I need to take up the concrete in the crawlspace and install the vapor barrier, and pour new concrete over top? Or, would venting the crawlspace be an option here? Thanks.
AsktheBuilder
30 Dec 2007, 06:00
Kerry,
Just install one of the high-performance vapor barriers as I describe in my other columns right over the top of your existing slab. Limit your access to the crawlspace so as not to tear the membrane.
Adem
30 Dec 2007, 14:18
My contractor intends to use visqueen vapor barrier under the concrete slab. From what I've read, this is usually used in walls over insulation. From your experience, and if installed properly, is this adequate and sufficient for preventing moisture from infiltrating a crawlspace?
AsktheBuilder
30 Dec 2007, 14:33
Adem,
Did you read the above column?????? :-> Did you see the photo?
Kerry
30 Dec 2007, 14:40
My crawlspace is heated (2 heat registers), has about 4 1/2 ft clearance, and ideal for storage, which is what I'm using it for now. The foundation wall goes up about half the height of the crawlspace and the rest is just wood with that pink fiberglass insulation. I'd hate to lose the crawlspace as my storage room by installing the vapor barrier over the existing slab. But, if I want the moisture issue gone is this my only option?
Jim Bob
30 Dec 2007, 15:46
We recently purchased a 2500 sq ft home in southern Misouri built over a generous crawlspace. The 2 year-old home has crawlspace vents on the south and west, but none on the east or north. The crawlspace floor is dirt covered wih gravel. There is no mould in or under the home. Humidity inside the home and crawlspace has hovers near 65% rain or shine.

I have read all of the related articles with great interest but still am pondering the best option for lowering the humidity in and under the house. 1) Vapor Barrier over existing gravel; 2) Whole house dehumidifer intigrated in HVAC system; 3) Additional crawlspace vent; or, 4) add crawl space vent fan to promote better circulation in the crawl space.

Thanks in advance for our opinion(s).
AsktheBuilder
30 Dec 2007, 16:14
Kerry,
Yes. Put the right vapor barrier down then put down carpet scraps in the high-traffic areas to protect it.
AsktheBuilder
30 Dec 2007, 16:20
JimBob,
High-Performance Vapor Barrier

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