Slate Porch
Summary: Use slate on your porch in front to dress the stoop. Porches, especially the front porch, can impress. Improve your front stoop design.
DEAR TIM: My wife keeps telling me she is tired of our plain concrete porch and the attached stoop. I would like to surprise her with a distinctive, yet affordable surface. The biggest problem I face is thickness. The new surface can't be any higher than one-half inch above the current concrete surfaces. A neighbor told me to look at slate. Do you think that would work? Is it durable? How hard is it to install? Stan W., Staten Island, NY
DEAR STAN: If only the rest of us husbands could be as lucky as you! You have stumbled across an idea that will make your wife the happiest woman in the neighborhood. She is going to be thrilled with this elegant building material choice. Slate has so much character. It is beautiful yet subtle. I consider it to be one of the most classic natural stone products that you can use on the exterior of your home. As for durability, think how many homes, churches, and government buildings have slate roofs that are 100 or more years old. Can you think of a more extreme exposure than roofing? You can successfully install slate on your existing concrete surfaces so long as they are in good condition.
The slate I used for my friend's stoop was one quarter inch thick. The cement-based mortar I used to adhere it to the concrete added perhaps one eighth inch additional thickness. This will easily meet your height requirement.
Installing the slate is actually quite easy. You need just a few tools: a tape measure, a four-inch wide putty knife, notched trowel, an old paint brush, a diamond wet saw, sponges, and a rubber grout float. All of the tools are affordable except for the diamond wet saw. You can rent this specialized saw at a tool rental shop. The store where you buy your slate might also rent this tool. If you plan your work well, you might only need the saw for 24 hours. You can cut slate with a dry abrasive blade on a circular saw, but it creates massive quantities of dust. It is also possible to cut the slate by hand with a special carbide blade in a hacksaw, but it is a tremendous amount of work.
To insure the slate stays attached to the concrete for many years, you need to do several things. The concrete surface needs to be completely clean and dust free. Scrub it with a scrub brush and soap or use a pressure washer to deep clean it. Only mix as much thinset as you can apply to the concrete surface in one hour. Dampen the concrete with a little water using the old paintbrush moments before you trowel on the thinset mortar. Only spread as much thinset as you can cover with slate in five minutes. Make sure the back of each piece of slate is dust-free and wiped with a damp rage or sponge just before it is set in the wet thinset mortar. Avoid installing the slate on a hot, dry, breezy day.
Once the slate is installed but before it is grouted, sprinkle the entire area with water lightly. Immediately cover the slate with plastic sheeting for at least 24 hours. This plastic and the added water will raise the humidity level and allow the thinset mortar to gain maximum strength. Do not walk on the slate during this time period. Block it off with a barricade so mail carriers, delivery people, neighbors, etc. do not walk on it by mistake. Ungrouted slate or ceramic tile is prone to movement or damage until such time as it is grouted.
Prior to grouting the slate, apply a grout release agent. The cleft surface of the slate is gorgeous but it also makes grout removal very difficult. The release agent will help minimize the amount of work you have to do to get all excess grout and grout film from the surface of each piece of slate. Be very careful to use a minimal amount of water in the sponges as you wipe excess grout from the slate. Using too much water during the grout removal phase can severely weaken the grout. Weak grout will crack and turn to powder after several exposures to freezing temperatures.
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Comments:
Sharon 22 Apr 2008, 23:43
Do you have the name of a grout release agent that you have used? The
person I spoke with at Home Depot did not know about such a thing and
recommended using sealer before slate installation and after. I really
don't think I want the wet look. I am installing slate porch but the slate
is not in squares, they are irregular. thanks in advance
debbie 01 Jun 2008, 14:52
We have a short cinderblock retaining wall. Some of the blocks are cracked
from top to bottom of wall. We plan to repair/fill cracks in wall and
refinish with slate/tile/rock. Question, will the cinder block wall be
sturdy enough to handle added weight of slate? Do we need to put a wire
mesh on wall for adhering purposes? We want to ensure a lasting wall. After
the wall is repaired we are placing a small patio in front of wall for an
earth oven.
thanks for your advice.
michael strollo 04 Jun 2008, 17:18
Tim,
i have a customer who wants to replace his decking with natural slate. the deck is 27 x 12 and about five feet off the ground. it was originally built to hold a large hot tub which has been removed. a local stone supplier said it would take about 5 tons of 1 1/2" thick slate. that seems high to me and i am concerned with adding that much weight even with extra 4 x 4 supports. of course material cost is also an issue. can i use thinner stone? is durock the best underlayment option? any help would be greatly appreciated michael
Michelle 16 Jul 2008, 18:06
Can I have my installer lay the slate on top of the existing ceramic tile,
or does the tile need to be torn out first?
Girish/Stone & Tile, Inc. 09 Aug 2008, 16:32
Hi Sharon, just saw your post and thought I'd respond in case you're still
looking for an answer. Any tile store can sell you the grout release. But
you could use a stone sealer as well. Using the sealer will help you clean
the slate a lot easier when you're grouting. A regular sealer will not
give you the wet look, just an enhancing sealer will so make sure you get
the regular sealer.
Girish/Stone & Tile, Inc. 09 Aug 2008, 16:39
Hi Michael, you can cover that deck with about 1.5 tons of slate flagstone.
Also, there is another product out there that's made for tiled decks,
www.blanke-co.com
Hope that helps
Dorothy Spina 23 Apr 2009, 17:47
We are laying slate over our concrete landing and sidewalk.
We have som e cracks. Two fairly bad ones and two very fine ones. In all the columns that I have read it gives you instructions for if your concrete is in good shape what if there is cracks. Every store including tile shops give us a different answer. Some say only fill it with a concrete repair material. Other folks say use a product like Red Guard (by what I understand its a sealer that has acrylic in it- sort of rubberery) to seal it. We are confused??? We do get frost. Thanks Dorothy View all comments |



