Old Water Pipes Must Go
DEAR TIM: My house has old galvanized iron water pipes. The water pressure is bad at many faucets and down to almost nothing in the kitchen. The volume of hot water that comes out of any faucet is especially low. I would love to replace the piping with copper, but I feel that would be far too expensive. I also don't have a clue how to solder copper pipes. Can I clean the pipes out? Should I use another material? What would you do? Tracy P., St. Joseph, MO
DEAR TRACY: Among other things, I happen to be a licensed master plumber and have had more than my fair share of encounters with old galvanized iron water lines. They were an acceptable building material back one hundred years ago. The plumber who installed those lines many years ago could have used threaded brass piping and fittings, but those materials were more expensive. Your pipes have reached the end of their useful life span and must be replaced.
I think your fear of the high cost for copper tubing is unfounded. I did a very quick calculation and I estimate that you would spend not much more than $250 for the copper tubing, fittings and valves and no more than $40 in tools to cut and solder the copper.
The task of cutting copper tubing and soldering is not as challenging as you might think. In fact, you can purchase cool copper fittings that already have the lead-free solder built-in to the fitting. You simply clean the ends of the cut tubing with an abrasive cloth, clean the inside of the special fittings with a round wire brush and then apply a thin coat of soldering flux to the cleaned surfaces. After inserting the tubing into the fitting, you apply heat from a torch for several seconds and you will actually see the solder appear at the tip of the fitting signaling to you the solder joint is complete.
You may wish to use another piping material if copper seems too daunting. Plastic CPVC piping and fittings are approved by just about every model building and plumbing code in the nation. This plastic piping is welded together using special primers and cements. You must follow the directions listed on the labels of these chemicals as the misuse of them can cause problems with water taste if excess cement finds its way inside the pipes as you work.
CPVC piping has a very high expansion / contraction coefficient. This piping grows significantly when hot water flows through it. The growth can be nearly 5 inches for every 100 feet of piping if the temperature of the water rises 100 F. Water temperature in regular household piping rarely rises 100 F, but even if the temperature goes up just 50 F, the pipes can expand causing all sorts of noise. If you decide to use CPVC, make sure the pipes are not tightly clamped and they pass through large enough holes in wood framing members so they do not bind.
Forget about cleaning out the old galvanized water lines. It is impractical and you will probably ruin the piping as you take it apart. The old threaded joints may actually be near the point of rust through and rotating them with a pipe wrench may break the pipe. I happen to be a big fan of copper and can assure you it is quite simple to solder copper tubing. There are a few tricks you will need to learn if you use traditional solder. The easiest thing to do is buy an inexpensive propane torch kit, a small tubing cutter and the soldering supplies you need. Be sure to purchase lead-free solder. Practice soldering a few joints in your garage. I am willing to bet tomorrow's lunch money that you will master it in ten minutes or less.
Galvanized iron water lines are easily identified. The outer diameter of the pipe is often 7/8 inch. The pipe is gray in color if it has never been painted. Where a pipe enters a fitting, you will see threads on the end of the pipe as you might on a standard threaded screw or bolt. Be careful! It is easy to confuse a threaded galvanized water line with threaded black iron natural gas piping. Do NOT cut into a piping system unless you know for sure what is in the pipes.
It is also not a good idea to mix and match metallic materials. I have seen many plumbers take out clogged galvanized water lines and install copper in their place. But they don't take out all of the galvanized iron piping. At some point the plumbers install a copper adapter that makes a transition between the iron and the copper. This creates a corrosive chemical reaction that causes the galvanized iron piping to begin to rust and break down. Once the corrosion gets bad, you develop a leak.
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shane 22 Apr 2008, 19:40
i am starting on my second replumb using pvc piping to replace clogged
rusted galvanized pipe. on the first house we actually dug up the old pipe
to determine where it enters the house. is there a better way to determine
where the direction of the piping is coming from the meter? wouldnt the
best way to asses this problem be to fit to the meter line and run a new
line from there? thank you much your site is always helpful for all my
construction needs.
Mary Quinonez 06 May 2008, 18:11
When changing the bathroom sinks in our 1964 home, we had to add water shut
off valves. In doing this, we noticed the copper pipes we were adding the
valves to had a biuld up inside the pipes. How would you recommend
cleaning the inside of the pipes? We tried a stiff wire brush, but this
would hardly do anything. We also carfully use a drill and bit to remove
some of the sediment. We have one more sink to change, what is your best
recommendation in cleaning the interior of the copper hot and water pipes?
Thank you Mary Quinonez
Delbert Harrison 06 Jun 2008, 00:45
Hellow my name is delbert i would like to know how to replace hot and cold
water lines back to the tank and back to the water meter,after i take all
the pipes out from the basement,i just need a basic routing from the water
meter to the house water tank and fausets. thank-you
Tom Burke 13 Jun 2008, 15:51
I have a home on a well and the water has a horrid rotten smell. I recently
changed a paper filter in the system and the entire insides of the housing
is covered with a black residue that almost smells septic. I assume the
interior of the water system (copper) is coated in this black film. Is it
possible to sanitize the interior of the piping by adding bleack or some
other substance to the filter housing and running the water? I don't want
to harm the piping or my family. Please advise. I am ready to install a new
5 micron particulate/carbon filter to the house and want to do the cleanup
first. Thanks
Tom
Bill Canaday 15 Aug 2008, 14:08
Tom, I'm not the plumber-guy ;-) but what you most likely have is sulphur
in the water. (The stink is hydrogen sulfide and your water is probably
very 'hard'.)
Take care of that first by having a heart-to-heart with a water conditioning expert.
Teresa Hunt 14 Nov 2008, 09:48
Hello from England..
I have had my CH system pump flushed and wondered if this procedure is possible on the mains side as I believe a log of my (copper) pipes are clogged (hard water area)
c.bradford 02 Jan 2009, 09:16
i have to replace the copper pipes in my house they are leacking.can i use
pvc pipes and run them in the addict insted threw the wall.a lot of work
running it threw the walls
Leonard Mayer 01 Feb 2009, 03:50
What are all the ways of cutting galvanized iron? I know I can use a
reciprocating Dewalt electric saw but the cut is not smooth; it is jagged.
I tried using a rotozip with aluminum oxide wheel but I get recoil and have
to reset often. What must the material blade be made of to cut iron?
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