Flagstone Patio on Crushed Stone

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Summary: Flagstone is such a hard rock, it makes a nearly indestructible patio. Installing flagstone on crushed stone is easy if done properly.

DEAR TIM: I intend to install a flagstone patio in the very near future and have been told I can place it on compacted crushed limestone that contains screenings. What are screenings and will this method work? The person giving the advice said the crushed limestone beneath the flagstones would eventually harden like concrete. What steps should I take to install the limestone in this fashion? I want to know if this will work as I don't want to have to tear everything out and start over. Tim G., Geneva, IL

DEAR TIM: Flagstone is one of the most popular patio materials I know of. The reasons are many. It is extremely durable, it looks magnificent and is naturally slip-resistant. It is also heavy so I can see why you only want to install each flagstone just one time.

Here are three piles of crushed stone. The one on the left is just larger pieces of crushed rock. The middle pile are the fines. The pile on the right is the crushed rock mixed with the fines. The larger coin on the left is a quarter and the smaller coin is a dime. PHOTO BY: Tim Carter
Here are three piles of crushed stone. The one on the left is just larger pieces of crushed rock. The middle pile are the fines. The pile on the right is the crushed rock mixed with the fines. The larger coin on the left is a quarter and the smaller coin is a dime. PHOTO BY: Tim Carter
Screenings are another name for fines. These fines that range in size from dust-sized particles to small, angular rock chips no bigger than a pencil eraser. They are a by-product of the rock-crushing process and are a very important component for the base material under your proposed patio.

If you were to use just crushed limestone with no fines, the flagstone would have a good base, but not the best. The introduction of these fines is what allows the crushed limestone to mimic poured concrete.

Without the fines there would be considerable void space between each of the larger pieces of limestone. But when you add the fines into the mix, the void spaces disappear. The fines lock each piece of crushed limestone together and make it nearly impossible for them to move. This is what happens when the sand and cement harden in concrete. It is not much different than you being in a tightly packed elevator. In that situation you can barely move your arms much less walk around inside the elevator.

The first step for installing this crushed limestone is to ensure the soil is compacted just beneath the place where the patio will be. Use a mechanical vibrating plate compactor or an old-fashioned hand tamper for this job. You can then install a geotextile fabric or traditional asphalt felt paper over the soil before the crushed limestone is installed. The fabric or felt paper stops soil particles from migrating up into the crushed limestone during wet weather.

I would plan to install no less than 6 inches of limestone for the patio base under the flagstone. But the limestone is not installed all at once. It needs to be installed in two lifts of 3 inches each. Install 3 inches of the loose limestone with the fines and spread it out evenly. Use a mechanical vibrating plate compactor to compact the limestone. A hand tamper is not the proper tool to use for this part of the job. Run the compacting machine back and forth in parallel lines across the limestone as you might cut your grass. Then do the exact same thing but at 90 degrees to the initial direction you ran the machine.

After the first lift is compacted, it is time for the final lift. This layer is very critical as it must conform to the final shape and surface of the patio. If you want your patio to be perfectly level, then this final layer of crushed limestone must be level or nearly so when it is installed and compacted. Remember, the final surface of the patio is just going to be 1 inch higher or so than this layer of crushed limestone. The flagstones are going to sit on this layer of crushed limestone. Imagine how hard it is going to be to remove compacted crushed limestone if you discover that it is too high.

The biggest concern with installing flagstone in this manner is the material used to fill the gaps between the flagstones. You can use just pure fines for this aspect of the job so long as they are more than rock dust. It is imperative to have small rock chips in the fines.

Even after the fines are compacted between the edges of the flagstones, there can be problems once the patio is finished. In periods of heavy rain, it is possible for the fines to wash out from between the flagstones. This creates an ongoing maintenance issue.

You can mortar between the flagstones with a mixture of Portland cement and sand, but I would only do this a year after the patio was installed. This will give the limestone base plenty of time to compact with a little help from Mother Nature. If you do not want to wait, you can lightly sprinkle the limestone base with water for several hours after the final layer has been installed and compacted. Then come back on the following day and run the vibrating plate compactor over the limestone base one final time. Fill any low spots that may develop.



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Julie
16 Dec 2007, 17:55
Dear Tim,

Last spring I hired a crew to remove an old, cracked concrete patio and then install a natural flagstone patio.

The contractor wanted to install it in concrete. I said no, I wanted it set without concrete, So that's what he did.

For months after he installed it I was refilling the gaps between the stone. Some somes he cut to samll sizes to fill in and they have just popped out.

Now my problem is there are areas where the fill inbetween the stones has completely washed away. I can't sweep the stones clean, or use a light water spray because the fill goes all over the place. My floors in the huse are getting ruined from being tracked in daily on shoes.

The area right under my backdoor step has now sunk over an inch.

It hasn't been a full year and I have a big mess on my hands. I paid a lot of money for this install!

Can you give me any suggestions on what to ask of the contractor to make it right, or re-do it properly?

Thank you!
AsktheBuilder
16 Dec 2007, 18:23
Julie,
You need to go read ALL of my past columns about brick patios. There are many that tell you to install the finished surface over concrete. That is how I would have done it. As I say in the above column, the fines will wash out and you are living proof of this.
john
31 Jan 2008, 11:09
I just moved into a home with a pool and flagstone patio--the patio was built about 5 years ago and is showing gaps in between the stone...some stones are even loose.
I need to fill it in myself and want to know the best products to use --and easiest way to do this!

Thanks,
J.H.
AsktheBuilder
31 Jan 2008, 11:45
John,
Read all of my past patio and paving-brick columns. I talk all about what you need to know.
Enrique Jimenez
22 Apr 2008, 05:39
Tim
A stone patio was install about 5 year ago, what ever was between the stones is gone, last year we use fine stone wash out after a heavy rain, will be fine to used the portland cement and sand? Thank you
Enrique
Chuck Barker
23 May 2008, 13:48
I am having a Lowe's build 12X16' shed in my backyard. It comes with a heavy duty floor, which will sit on 4X4". What should I have for the base underneath the floor?
Leticia
12 Jun 2008, 21:14
I would make the best of it by filling in the cracks with wooly thyme - it's a low growing, perennial herb will add a splash of color to your patio floor. I prefer a stone patio WITHOUT mortar because where I have mine there are some lines I want to be able to access in case of trouble.
Todd Anderson
02 Jul 2008, 19:49
I wanted to know if you have a product that is a either crushe stone or pebbles of different color. That you spray on your house foundation over a tar like substance. Or is there a product like that out there. And do you know where I can get it if you do not have that product. Or do you know of a simular product. It is only a decrative application not structural. Hope you can help me with this problem.
Nancy Kwan
04 Aug 2008, 11:54
Tim, I have two questions:
1. Since the limestone and fines underneath and between the flagstone harden like concrete, it will be impermeable to water? Because of the location of my patio I have difficulty installing a drain, therefore I want water to percolate into the soil from between the pavers.
2. I have hugh concrete slabs in my courtyard. One of them has a long irregular small crack in it, and the area around it is sinking. Can I leave it as is or what can I do without having to replace the whole slab? If I stain and seal it will it stop the sinking?
Thank you.
M Z
14 Aug 2008, 22:33
Those with the growing joints in the flagstone patio should look into Polymeric sand. This sand is used as the "grout" between the stones or pavers. It has sand and polymer with other additives to help the joint stay flexible, water resistant, and strong.

It should be part of a new installation but can be used in a re-do if ALL of the old material is REMOVED first. Look up Gator Dust or Super Sand just to name two.


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