Condensation on New Windows
Summary: Condensation on new windows makes homeowners angry. New windows are not supposed to get wet inside. But new windows often seal air leaks and a tighter house means elevated humidity.
DEAR TIM: I am at my wits end. The new replacement windows in our home are fogging up and some have dripping water on the inside pane of glass. I thought by buying new windows I would eliminate condensation forever. Are the windows defective? What is happening and what, if anything, can be done to minimize the problem? Pamela S., Gatlinburg, TN
DEAR PAMELA: The condensation on your new windows is very unfortunate. The source of the problem is not easy to trace and to make matters worse, there can be multiple things that are happening that can contribute to the problem. It is my opinion that you will solve the problem using old-fashioned detective work that employs the process of elimination.
Let's start the investigation by reviewing what causes condensation on windows, in crawlspaces, on air conditioning ducts and even in attics. The air inside your home contains moisture. It is invisible water vapor, but it is there. You and all of the people in your family contribute to this moisture each time you exhale. Try fogging a mirror with your breath and you will see what I mean.
The amount of humidity in the air can rise and fall depending upon the temperature of the air. Warm or hot air has the ability to hold much more water vapor than cool or cold air. So the humidity in air is relative. Relative humidity is defined as the percentage of water vapor in a given amount of air at a given temperature. When this percentage gets to 100 percent, the water vapor, a gas, changes from a gas to a liquid. Meteorologists refer to this complete saturation as the dew point.
Water is forming on your new windows because one of several things is happening. The temperature of the inner glass surface is at or below the dew point for the amount of humidity in your inside air. The humidity of your indoor air is quite possibly much higher now with your new windows because the air leaks around your old windows were eliminated once the new windows were installed. Cold, drier air that leaks into homes from the outdoors lowers the relative humidity indoors. This is one reason people have static electricity problems in drafty homes during the winter months. Dry air makes it very easy for the static sparks to transfer from your hands to grounded objects.
I suggest you purchase a decent hygrometer for under $50.00. This tool will allow you to get accurate readings of indoor humidity. Start to take daily readings and then look around to see if you have things that add too much water to the air. Make sure crawlspace soil is covered with high-performance vapor retarders. Minimize the number of indoor plants you might have. Run kitchen exhaust fans if you boil lots of water when you cook. If you have a vent-free fireplace, limit its use as it produces vast amounts of water vapor when it burns natural gas. Be sure to operate bathroom exhaust fans during bathing activities and pipe this humid air directly to the outdoors.
If you discover that your indoor humidity is not too high using your hygrometer, then you can minimize or eliminate the condensation by creating air movement around the windows. Just as blowing air dries say laundry things outdoors, air blowing over the interior glass will act just like the defroster does in your automobile.
Efforts to stop air leakage into homes can create all sorts of secondary effects. One of them is potential increases in indoor relative humidity levels. Indoor air pollution levels can also rise. Tightly-constructed new homes or older homes where energy-savings measures are employed create situations where little fresh air enters a home to equalize humidity and freshness.
Not all windows are made to the same standards. Some new windows may use poor-quality parts and poor construction methods that allow the glass temperature of the inner pane of glass to be much cooler than a well-built window. The cooler pane of glass will show condensation before a warmer pane of glass. This is why an empty drinking glass on a kitchen counter or a piece of glass in a picture frame has no condensation while a window two feet away is fogged up or dripping with water.
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Comments:
Kathrine 30 Nov 2007, 22:51
I just read your separate articles, one regarding Pella windows and the
other about condensation. We bought a new home about 5 years ago, which
had wood frame Pella windows and patio doors all around the main floor. We
have a geothermal system and so heat is by forced air. We have had the
problem every since we moved in with severe condensation every winter.
Afraid of the water damage I was noticing on all the window frames I gave
them all three coats of an indoor/outdoor polyurathane. I tried asking the
Pella company directly what could be done to prevent water damage, warping
and mold/mildew. Their only response was the humidity in our home was too
high. Well, when we receiv static shock from simply walking across the
floor I don't think we have it too high. My husband wants to put that
plastic coating around the inside of every window. I grew up with solid
storm windows on my parent's house and they never had condensation on the
inside panes (maybe on the storm though). Therefore, I was thinking that
would be a good solution. What is your suggestion? We are heading into
what should be quite a winter here in the midwest right now so this is
something that would have to happen next year. Thank you for your
consideration in this matter and I wait for your response.
ATB 01 Dec 2007, 05:32
Katherine,
Pella is telling you the truth. Your indoor humidity is too high and/or the exterior temperature is so cold it is dropping the temperature of the inner pane of glass *below* the dew point of the air inside the house. This is easy to test. TURN OFF all sources of interior humidity. For a complete list, go read my past articles on indoor humidity and condensation.
Anthony Willis 21 Dec 2007, 10:39
Would a more substantial HVAC system prevent interior condensation of
windows?
AsktheBuilder 21 Dec 2007, 13:56
Anthony,
No. Read ALL of my past columns on Condensation and Indoor Humidity.
Izaak 22 Dec 2007, 12:15
I would like to say the Pella wood windows are worse than others as far as
condensation. I do understand the physics behind the dew point and
condensation on the inside of the windows and it is directly related to
interior humidity and glass temp. Here is where the issue is: Pella wood
windows have cheap aluminum glass spacers that are close to the inside edge
of the frame. We have bad condensation issues on all of our windows mostly
because we do not have forced air heating and have a generous 50% humidity
inside most of the winter. BUT, we have 2 full light fiberglass doors and
another type of window that do not have any condensation issues in the same
environment. I am going to blame the design of the Pella window for having
a bad thermal bridge and causing the glass edge to be too cold for causing
the condensation since I have other products that do not have the same
problem in the same enviroment
Bob Petersen 23 Dec 2007, 10:28
We replaced our old pella windows that were only replaced due to rotting
exterior framing. We had no condensation on the windows at all.
We replaced with the Pella pro line series and have just three years are experiencing some inside damage on the bottom frame for condensation. Our Humidity levels are normal. Do you think Pella will honestly help me solve this issue if they have made this series of Windows incorrectly. I cannot afford to replace again. Your help is needed. Yours Truly, Bob Petersen
AsktheBuilder 23 Dec 2007, 11:12
Bob,
How have you verified that your humidity is *normal*? Are you positive this is not an exterior water issue?
tony 23 Dec 2007, 18:53
I have the same problem with the pella proline series windows. I am getting
condensation on the inside and its damaging the wood on the window. I was
wondering what the humidity in your house is supposed to be. I have a
hygrometer and it says the humidity is 55 and thats the normal zone on it.
So is it supposed to be lower?
AsktheBuilder 23 Dec 2007, 18:57
Tony,
That reading is off the charts! It is way too high. Go read ALL of my past columns on Condensation and the ones about Indoor Humidity. Read the columns I have about Humidifiers as well as they have the data you are looking for.
sheri 04 Jan 2008, 12:09
We have had bad problems with pella proline windows. We have replaced
every window in our home with pella casements except one that pella could
not fit(it has an Anderson). EVERY ONE OF THE PELLA'S IS ROTTEN AND
MOLDED. Yes we probably do have a little higher humidity than we should but
the Anderson is fine and it's in our KITCHEN!!! I wouldn't recommend Pella
windows to anyone, when we called them they lectured me about condensation
and sent me pamphlets to read. So I guess we are just out THOUSANDS of
dollars.
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