Toilet Gasket
Summary: A toilet gasket stops odors. The toilet bowl gasket has to be installed correctly. The toilet wax gasket is set on the toilet flange.
DEAR TIM: My husband installed a new toilet gasket on the toilet in our master bathroom as part of adding a new ceramic-tile floor. He's pretty handy, but soon after I noticed a sewer gas odor in this room. He can't smell it, and I'm reluctant to have him do the job over.
The toilet doesn't move, the caulking is perfect so I can't imagine where the odor is coming from. For years, there was never an odor. What needs to be done to correct this? Vikki H., Henderson, KY
DEAR VIKKI: The toilet-bowl gasket was not installed correctly. The smoking gun is the fact no odors were ever present before your well-intentioned husband started the bathroom-remodeling job. I'm afraid that he needs to start over, but we need to discover what he did wrong so this second attempt yields a perfect result.
As for where the odor is coming from, many people forget that the holes where the toilet bolts pass through the ceramic toilet-bowl base are usually never sealed. The sewer gas that's wafting past the toilet wax gasket can easily seep past the bolts and the decorative caps. The caulking between the base of the toilet bowl and the floor will do nothing to stop the odor if these bolt slots are unsealed.
Thousands of homeowners who attempt to change toilet gaskets run into problems for any number of reasons. The seal between the toilet flange and the toilet bowl is mission critical. The toilet flange is the transition fitting that allows you to connect the toilet to the drain piping. Not only is there the issue of sewer odors, but vermin and water can also leak from this joint if the toilet gasket is not making positive contact.
The next thing you should pay attention to is the thickness of the toilet wax gasket. Most of them are no more than seven-eighths-inch high. I've measured many, and some are just three-quarters-inch high. You may be wondering why these dimensions are important.
For a toilet gasket to seal properly, the space between the underside of the unglazed fixture where the water exits the toilet and the top of the toilet flange should be no more than one-half inch. If you do a little math, you'll discover that this means the top surface of the toilet flange should be above the finished floor surface at least one-quarter inch. The top of the flange should be level, and the flange must be secured to the floor so it doesn't move.
It's possible that your husband wasn't aware of this important point. The top of the toilet flange may have been flush with the floor, or even sticking up too high. I've seen toilet flanges installed by inexperienced plumbers and homeowners that were an inch or more above the finished floor. When a toilet flange is too high, a poor seal can result because all of the wax gets squeezed out between the toilet and the flange as you secure the toilet to the flange.
In your case, I think a toilet-gasket autopsy will reveal that the toilet flange got buried by your new flooring. This is a very common mistake. A homeowner may install ceramic tile in place of a sheet-vinyl floor. By the time ceramic backer board is added and the new tile, the top of the toilet flange can be well below the finished surface of the floor. When this condition exists, it's entirely possible the toilet gasket never even touches either the flange or the underside of the toilet bowl.
Be sure your husband removes the toilet, and discards the toilet wax gasket he just installed. Clean the surface of the toilet flange as well as the underside of the toilet bowl. If the flange is not sticking up one-quarter inch above the surface of the ceramic tile, you can add an extender to the flange or use multiple toilet gaskets to achieve the seal. If you use an extender to create a new flange height, be absolutely certain the gap between the existing flange and the extender is sealed with a code-approved sealant. Failure to do this could create both water and sewer gas leaks once again.
Another common mistake homeowners and rookie plumbers make is trying to level the toilet bowl as they install it. The toilet bowl needs to be level side to side and front to back, but this adjustment should be completed by dry setting the bowl over the flange without the toilet gasket in place. Use shims to get the bowl level. Then carefully lift the toilet bowl off the flange keeping the shims in place.
I've had the best luck over the years installing the toilet-bowl gasket on top of the flange instead of the underside of the toilet bowl. I use the toilet wax gasket to help align the long toilet bolts. I then carefully start to slowly drop the toilet down onto the flange trying to keep the bowl level as it drops closer to the floor. The shims ensure the bowl will be level.
If you attempt to level the toilet after the toilet gasket has contacted the flange and the underside of the bowl, you may break the seal as you lift one side of the toilet up to make the level adjustment.
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Comments:
Bryan 31 Mar 2009, 00:46
Wow - this is exactly the problem I'm struggling with now. I am replacing
a water-damaged ceramic tile bathroom floor and toilet because the new (at
the time) ceramic floor caused the flange to be too low, thus
squeezing/breaking/rotting the wax seal and toilet gasket.
Question: Can I let the cement backer board under the tile just dry out and redo the tile since I actually removed the ceramic tile already?
Roger Skarin 03 May 2009, 14:08
I installed a slate floor, bought the spacer kit that came with two
wax-free gaskets and the one-half inch spacer. The dry fit puts my flange
(with spacer) at 1/4" above the finished floor. The only problem I see is
the directions do not specify which direction the rubber gaskets fit to the
spacer. One on top and one on bottom but how should they meet and reading
above is there supposed to be a code-approved sealant between the gaskets
and spacer?
annette 13 Aug 2009, 19:58
where i work has a awful smell the tolit is clean but i need to know how to
get rid of the oder i dont know if it is the tolit or sink is there a way
to flush the drain i don;t have a floor drain
John 20 Aug 2009, 23:39
Thanks for the excellent website. This describes exactly the problem I have
except there's an additional complication. The existing flange is the old
cast iron style with bolts fixed in position (no bolt slots). While the
flange surface is very rusty, the bolts themselves seem to be in reasonable
shape but are too short. Can I replace them with a threaded brass rod of
sufficient length with, say, double lock nuts underneath and have the new
threaded rods (in place of bolts) then pass through the existing flange and
flange extender and install the toilet on that?
Sharon 27 Sep 2009, 10:07
Thanks for this info. My husband is going to check the vents today. Am
hoping this will be an easy fix. Began to notice the rotten egg odor about
a week ago. At first we thought our dog needed a change of diet. But we
can't blame the poor dog anymore. It's definitely not him. Looked
everywhere for a dead mouse or something rotting. No luck. The odor is only
noticeable once or twice a day but it is defiitely a foul methane smell.
We've a small house so all fixtures are used daily. I believe this gas is
dangerous and if it isn't an easy fix will call a plumber in. Thanks again.
Very informative.
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