Toilet Bowl Cleaner
DEAR TIM: I’m at my wits end with toilet bowl cleaners. My toilet has light and dark stains in the bottom of the bowl as well as up under the rim. I’ve tried the store-bought Clorox toilet bowl cleaner, Vanish toilet bowl cleaner, and even the automatic toilet bowl cleaners. None of them do anything to cut the stains. What’s causing the stains and what, if anything, can I do to get my toilet looking respectable. It’s embarrassing and I’m about ready to rip it out and purchase a new toilet. Help me please. Amy H., Lexington, KY
DEAR AMY: Oh, I’ve been where you’re at. I remember years ago suffering trying to get a cleaner toilet bowl using all the different products at the grocery store as well as every type of brush and scrubbing pad known to man. I have clear memories of wearing rubber gloves and goggles trying to restore a deeply stained toilet in the basement of a past house I owned.
Based upon your description of the stains, and your inability to make progress using ordinary cleaning products, I’m convinced you’re a victim of hard water and lime buildup. It’s very common in many areas of the USA, especially those that have minerals in the water supply.
If you have calcium, magnesium and a few other elements in your water, these can create multi-layered deposits inside a toilet. Not only can these deposits be unsightly, but they also can significantly impact the performance of the toilet. If your toilet is like several I’ve had, my guess is that you’ve also noticed that the flushing has become sluggish or not as powerful as it once was.
The ugly deposits happen when dirt gets trapped in between layers of hard water deposits in the toilet. This is most common under the rim of the toilet bowl and along the sides of the toilet bowl above the water line. Each time you flush the toilet these areas of the toilet get wet. Once you leave the bathroom, the water evaporates leaving behind an ultra-thin film of minerals. Dirt can easily attach itself to this coarse film. Then the next flush and mineral buildup locks in the stain. Imagine this happening thousands of times over several years worth of flushes.
You can also get a lime layer buildup in the bottom of the toilet bowl that starts to block the syphon-jet hole. It’s very important that this hole is wide open so that the maximum amount of water can enter the toilet bowl as fast as possible to initiate the flush. Water entering through the rim of the bowl can also be slowed by mineral deposits in the small holes under the rim.
The best toilet bowl cleaner I’ve come across in these situations is muriatic acid. This is a very powerful chemical that should be used with great care and respect. The fumes are very nasty and the acid can easily cause skin burns and ruin fabrics that it soaks into. However, when this acid contacts lime and other hard-water deposits, it rapidly dissolves them. Once the deposits have been removed, the toilet looks brand new.
I always start the cleaning project by using the standard toilet bowl cleaners to sanitize the bowl. Once this is complete, I rapidly pour five gallons of water into the bowl simulating a flush. This leaves a small amount of water in the bottom of the bowl. Then I slowly pour into the bowl about 12 ounces of muriatic acid.
Be sure you have the bathroom well ventilated, preferably with a window open to exhaust the acid fumes. Wear tight-fitting goggles, rubber gloves, old clothes with long sleeves, etc. so that you have virtually no skin exposed. Carefully use a toilet brush to spread the acid solution under the rim of the bowl. Do this multiple times over a period of 30 minutes.
Let the acid solution work for up to an hour or two. If you have to leave the room always put the toilet lid down to prevent animals from accessing the acid solution. If children are in the house, never leave the toilet alone. Work until the job is finished.
The muriatic acid will absolutely remove the hard water deposits that are trapping the stains. The longer it soaks the less you have to scrub. Never use a metal scrapper, screwdriver, etc. to dislodge any deposits. The acid will do the work for you, it just may take awhile.
Avoid using any abrasive toilet bowl cleaners. These can scratch the smooth glazed surface of the china. If you take your time and slosh the acid around the bowl and twist the brush in all visible areas, the stains and deposits will disappear in time. Depending on the thickness of the deposits, it can take hours for the acid to break them down.
It's best to completely neutralize the muriatic acid before you get rid of it. Some states may not permit you to flush this chemical into a public sewer system. It's also not a great idea to send acid into a septic system. This is why I instructed you to pour the bucket of water into the toilet bowl to start this process. This allows an ample amount of storage space in the toilet bowl so the acid doesn't enter the drain pipe beneath the toilet.
To neutralize muriatic acid, you just add common baking soda. You'll need 5.5 pounds of baking soda for every gallon of acid you've used to clean the toilet. If you only used 12 ounces of acid and got great results, you'll only need to add a little over a half pound of baking soda into the toilet bowl. Let the baking soda work to neutralize the acid for about 30 minutes. Flush the toilet several times when you think your finished. Repeat the process if there are stubborn stains that didn’t come clean the first time using the industrial-strength toilet bowl cleaner.
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Carol 20 Aug 2010, 16:08
Dear Ask the Builder --
I am an avid fan of your column in the Northern Virginia Daily newspaper. Just want to share with you that I had the problem with brown stained toilet bowls and the best product I have found to get rid of the brown and black stains is "Iron Out" rust stain remover. It can be used for toilets, white laundry, bath, appliances, water softener cleaner and more.....It can be purchased at Wal-Mart, True Value Hardware. Try it, and see what you think.
Loretta 21 Aug 2010, 18:27
We recently had tenants (college students) move out of a rental property.
It appeared one toilet had not been cleaned for the two years they lived
there -- my husband thought the inside of the toilet bowl was yellow, not
white.
We found a cleaner called "The Works" that is amazing!! We put some in the bowl and let it sit. With minimal brushing, the toilet looks brand-new! We found "The Works" at Wal-Mart. The best part? It costs less than $2.00 per bottle (and that's in the expensive Washington, DC area!!).
Jean 28 Sep 2010, 21:32
I've used the muriatic acid a few times(apt mgr). I thank you for the tip
about neutralizing before flushing, that has concerned me.
I always wear a breathing mask as well as goggles, I like the one that has the little ventilator, lets me breathe and keeps the fumes out. Also, chemical rubber gloves, not just ordinary cleaning gloves.
Wayne 29 Sep 2010, 09:41
I have an OLD toilet 60+years which had permanent light stains in the bowl.
I tried acid treatments, and they made the bowl dull, and the stains came
back more rapidly. Finally got some 1000 grit sandpaper, lightly sanded
the surface, restored the shine, and got rid of the stains. Fortunately,
my community has implemented a reverse osmosis system now, and the old
water problems are greatly reduced.
Rob 29 Sep 2010, 11:24
We live way out in the sticks and have always had very hard and rusty
water. We used the rust-out salt in our softener and it still didn't help.
Tubs, shower walls, shower heads, toilets, sinks, etc. all had a rust tinge
to them. We switched to a Kinnetico sofener and in anticipation of it
working as advertised, I went searching for an effective rust remover.
Found it at a Do-It-Best hardware store. Krud Kutter. Worked wonderfully on
EVERYTHING that needed to be cleaned. The only drawback is that it smells
like puppy vomit!
Don 05 Oct 2010, 07:05
Didn't want to use the MA due to grandkids and pets. Force flushed to
minimal water then added 3 cups of apple cider vinegar. Let set 2 hours
and scrubbed. Dreaded heavy brown spot came right out of the bottom of the
bowl.
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