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Soil Drainage Solution: French Drain Systems

By Tim Carter
©1993-2008 Tim Carter
Summary: A popular soil drainage solution are French drain pipes around your home. These French drain systems capture sub-surface soil water and direct it away from the foundation. French drain systems need trenches dug, the right pipes and the correct placement of drain pipes for a good drainage system.

Related Articles: French drain design, simple trench drain, French drain illustration

! ! ! See Author's Notes at Bottom of Column ! ! !

Soil Drainage Solution: French Drain Systems

Last year, I did some consulting work for one of my readers here in Cincinnati. She had a massive drainage problem in her rear yard. Half of the neighborhood's water was flowing through and over the soil into her back yard. Her basement was leaking, the yard was soggy, and she had flooding in heavy rains.

I designed a simple linear French drain system to solve the problem. After seeing my design and asking some questions, I got the feeling she wasn't convinced as to its ability to solve the problem. I assured her it would work. She indicated that it had better as she intended to hand dig the system. I gave her a handy tip on digging trenches and even let her borrow my duckbill shovel. This tool and a handy square point spade are the only shovels to use when digging trenches.

Eight weeks ago, I received the most wonderful Thank You note in the mail. We had a somewhat wet winter with several periods of heavy rain. My system captured and diverted all of the surface and sub-surface water. Her basement was dry and the yard allowed you to walk in it without leaving a shoe behind! She mentioned in the note that water rushed from the outlet portion of the linear French drain like a fire hose. Needless to say she was satisfied and most grateful.

Construction Methods

The woman who I am speaking of built the entire system without any help. I visited the jobsite to inspect the trench after the pipe was installed. She dug over 165 lineal feet of trench by hand (working part time) in 2 months. It was hard work, but she accomplished the task.

You can often do much of the work with a trenching machine. These handy devices can be rented at a tool rental shop and towed behind any car. Most tool rental places will even deliver it for you. However, even with a trenching machine you still must do some work by hand. The trencher does a majority, that is for sure! If you decide to use one, purchase a sheet of 4 x 8 1/2 inch plywood. Rip the plywood in half lengthwise to yield two pieces 2 x 8 feet. The trencher discharges dirt to one side of the trench while digging. Place the plywood on the ground so the dirt piles up on it, not the bare grass. It is a breeze to shovel the dirt from the plywood instead of the grass. Remove all loose dirt from the trench and tamp the bottom of the trench to compact the soil at the bottom.

Layout

If your trenching system requires different bends and turns to go around houses, sheds trees, whatever, then your layout is critical. If you do not dig the trenches properly, the pipe will not fit into the fittings that go around the bends.

I always dry fit my pipe and fittings together and lay them on top of the ground exactly as they will be installed. I then use a can of bright orange spray paint to paint the grass right next to the pipe. Always paint on both sides to make sure that you clearly mark the center of the trench. This layout will save you hours of extra digging!

Location of the Piping

If you want to dry out a leaking basement or a crawl space, then you must locate the linear French drain in such a way as to capture all or most of the sub-surface water that is flowing towards your house. If you have periods of flooding where surface water flows over your lawn, then the drainage system must extend to the surface to capture this water.

Linear French drains that are intended to stop water from entering a house need to be located approximately 4 - 6 feet away from the foundation if possible. It is not necessary or recommended that they be placed closer to the house. You want the piping in soil that was not disturbed during the construction of the house. Placing the piping too close to the house also concentrates water flow at the foundation!

The Effective Depth

Linear French drains do not need to be excessively deep to be effective. Remember, water movement through soils happens where there are air voids. In many soils, air is most plentiful in the upper 24 inches.

You want to install the piping system so that the pipe is level or has a slight downward slope to the discharge point. Do not install the pipe at a consistent 24 inch depth if your lot goes up and down. Doing this will trap water in the low spots of the pipe.

If your lot is rolling in nature, then you will have to use a builder's level or laser to make sure your piping is level or flows downslope. Do not underestimate the importance of this!

The Right Pipe

The pipe used to collect water from the soil must be perforated. Once collected and in transit to the discharge point, you can switch over to solid pipe. Only use perforated pipe in the areas to be drained.

I happen to prefer the PVC pipe that has two rows of holes in it. These holes must point down. Pointing them up is not right. Do you think the water flowing through the gravel aims for and enters the holes? Wrong! Some water may go in the holes but the majority goes past it and simply saturates the soil until the trench fills with water to the height of the holes.

Gravel Fill

Once you have placed the pipe in the trench, fill around the pipe with 1 inch washed gravel to within 1 or 2 inches of the surface. Cover the gravel with a piece of sod. Do not place any dirt in the trench. Water traveling through the soil will find this gravel and immediately fall down to the pipe. The large voids around the 1 inch gravel will accommodate a rapid flow of water.

If you have to bring the trench system to the surface to capture surface water, dig out soil to make a path. Use colored gravel for the path placed around fieldstone or stepping stones. It will make a unique attraction and landscaping feature in your yard.


Author's Notes:

You may wonder if my advice is worth anything. Well, read what Jim Sanders wrote to me when he was at the end of his rope:

"Hi, I just wanted to write to give you the results of my "Trench Drain". I have had a wet crawlspace for 15 years. Water would fill the crawlspace at times, so we actually had to drill weepholes at the base so that it would enter the basement and eventually, the sump pump.

I have tried everything. Several contractors said that the only thing we could do was to bring the water into the house via drainage tile and let it enter the sump pump. That would work, but because I live on a 6' elevation, there is no reason that I should have water problems. It became like clockwork...when it rained, we would rush home from the lake or wherever we were vacationing so that we could be prepared to start the backup generator, in case the power failed. We even had our alarm company put a sump alarm on our system, so they could notify us if we had a power failure. Battery backup was not an option, because sometimes we loose power for days and during any rain, our sump would run every 7 minutes...just like clockwork.

I found your site and read the article on the trench or French drain. At first, it sounded a bit like "holistic healing" to me. I failed to understand why a 2 ft. deep trench, 4 ft. away from the house would do any good. How could this simple thing correct an extreme water problem that has plagued me for years, cracked my foundation, settled my garage floor and ruined almost every vacation?

The Linear French Drain trench running from the house. PHOTO CREDIT: Jim Sanders

The Linear French Drain trench running from the house. PHOTO CREDIT: Jim Sanders

I decided "what the heck". I had to dig by hand using a trenching spade and a pick-axe, because the builder back-filled our property with brick and blacktop. It took quite a bit of time. Because the ground level varies so much on that side of the house, I was not able to achieve exactly 2 ft. deep. It varied from 18" to 30" in spots, but the slope was downhill. The trench is about 80 ft. long. At times, I thought about filling it all in, because I just didn’t believe that it would work.

I stoned it, put tile in, and filled it with #1 round stone. I socked the pipe just for safety measure and I also used geotext fabric on top, so I could cover with dirt and grass. I also ordered some clay and pitched from the house to the drain.



After a short rain, water is running away from the house. PHOTO CREDIT: Jim Sanders
Result? For the last month, we have had 7 or 8 torrential rains, the worst of which was last night. It rained so hard, that our lawn washed out in spots because of the high clay content. Our sump pump, that normally ran every 7 minutes during and after rain, has not turned on for 4 weeks. The silt at the bottom of the sump well is now dry and cracking. Our crawlspace has not shown a trace of water or even moisture.

Since I couldn’t see correcting the foundation cracks or the garage floor settling and tilting until I corrected the problem's source, I waited to see if the trench drain worked first.

This week, I had a company come in and perform sort of a "mud-jacking" technique on the garage floor, which worked perfectly. Also, during the past few weeks, I parged the cracks in the foundation.



A dry sump pump. PHOTO CREDIT: Jim Sanders
I just wanted you to know how this worked. I stressed for many years over this issue and the solution was nowhere near as difficult as I thought it would be.

As a side note, I went to the end of the drain tile during a hard rain to see what was happening. Water was running out of the drain tile in about the same exact volume that it previously ran out of the weepholes in my crawlspace. This winter will be interesting, because last year, the ground next to the house was so saturated that during a thaw, my sump would run constantly. I'm guessing that the ground between the trench and the house will probably be drier now going into this winter."

- Jim Sanders, Upstate area - New York







Comments

David Belcher
04 Dec 2007, 17:41
i have approx. 2 acres in texas. rain water from all the surrounding yards pass thru my property. most of the year there is standing water in various low spots in my lawn. will the french drain help reduce the gathering of water on the surface of my yard. also i have a sprinker system that is connected to my septic system and water also puddles badly next to one of my sprinklers. i am curious if i install a french drain if this will help, or would you advise another solution.


thanks
David
AsktheBuilder
04 Dec 2007, 17:59
Yes, yes and yes!!
George Groh
26 Dec 2007, 22:59
are there disadvantages to using 4" perforated flexible drain pipe in a french drain system designed to intercept surface water? Is it necessary to go down 2 feet? (This will be hand dug). The soil is heavy clay North Carolina type.
Thanks----George Groh
AsktheBuilder
27 Dec 2007, 07:34
George,
You can use the flexible pipe. Are ditching machines illegal in NC? You must figure a way to rent one.
AJ
08 Jan 2008, 12:13
We live in a Chicago suburb and have an lousily graded concrete driveway towards our detached garage. It is an older house with the garage added later behind the original carport. (Like this when we bought it) The concrete slopes so that water drains to the side of the garage rather than into the garage, but you get this giant puddle of standing water on the driveway, up to 4" deep at the worst because there is a "hump" in the driveway and it can't drain down to the street normally. There is only a narrow strip of land between the driveway and the property line. Our neighbors have a garage and driveway as well (some of their water may drain to our side but their driveway has a much better grade to begin with) and the two driveways are about 8" apart at the narrowest spot.

It looks like there was an attempt at the side of our garage to use some sort of gravel to aid in drainage about 20 years ago. (I don't know that it was a true "French Drain" then, and either way it is non functioning now.) That quasi-drain now runs to the lowest point in our back yard which is behind the garage, which is also a very narrow strip of land, and it doesn't seem like a sensible place to create a dry well, partially because there isn't enough room.

The motivating factor here is that I'm sick of my corgis (which are low dogs anyway) running through the swamp every time they go outside. We need to get the water out to the front yard over the "hump" in this stupid driveway (the hump is also at that narrowest 8" point) to drain out into the city's standard stormwater system.

My biggest question is whether it even seems reasonable to try to get a solid drainpipe through that 8" soil gap between the two concrete driveways. It would be the most direct way to get it out to the street with the least amount of pipe. Otherwise, from what you are describing, we'd have to french drain all the way around the perimeter of the yard to get it to come out on the other side of the house, where there is a larger patch of land between our property and the other neighbors. I suspect we'd have more grading headaches too because that wider side yard is also higher in elevation than narrow side.

We don't really have the money to pay professional landscapers to do it for us (Chicago area housing is expensive...) Am I insane for contemplating this as a DIY project?
AsktheBuilder
08 Jan 2008, 14:24
AJ,
You are not insane. How bad do you want the desired result?????
Mike
10 Jan 2008, 20:44
I have a question regarding my french drain system it appears that all the water from the french drains enter the house to then be pumped out by a sump pump???

There is a pipe that goes to the sewer by the previous owner says that the sump pump works only if there is to much water. Is this the right way to have the drainage set up??

My pump has been running 4 days now off 10 seconds on 2+ minutes!!!

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!!
Thanks you
AsktheBuilder
11 Jan 2008, 05:58
Mike,
All the answers you are looking for and much more are in all of my past columns in my Drainage category. You should also read every column on this website that has the word sump in it. Use the search engine above to find all of those.
Nick
14 Jan 2008, 14:23
Thank you for the articles concerning drainage. I will be installing a drainage system around my 50 year old house this spring thanks to the tips and instructions from this website.

However, one side of my house has an asphalt driveway right against the foundation. It appears over time that it has settled and created a slope towards the foundation. During rain, this is the first area that dampness appears in the basement. What would be the most effective way to solve this problem? Right now I am thinking that adding new ashpalt to create a slope away from the foundation would be the easiest and cheapest fix, but I would like to hear if there is anything else I should do. Thank you.
AsktheBuilder
14 Jan 2008, 14:42
Nick,
That is what I would do. Make sure you have a great slope away from the house.

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