Shower Membrane Tips

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Summary: Ceramic tile grout is porous and water can leak through. A shower pan membrane is essential for waterproofing your ceramic tile shower. Here are some tips for installing shower floor membranes. If you want step-by-step instruction on How to Install a Shower Pan Liner, be sure to check out my eBook.

Ceramic tile showers simply leak. Lots of people think that a ceramic tile shower that is in fantastic structural shape - meaning no cracks in the grout - are virtually waterproof. Nothing could be further from the truth. Beneath the tile is a bed of cement mortar that sits inside a waterproof membrane. Years ago the membranes were thin sheets of lead. Plumbers with great skills would seam the lead using a soldering iron and stick lead. Talk about craftsmanship! In fact, they would test for leaks by filling the pans with water.

Times Change

The days of making lead pans is all but gone. You still might be able to find an older plumber who can do it. It is actually OK that we don't use lead. The lead shower pans would fail over time. Chemicals in the water would set up a low voltage battery that would actually corrode the pan.

The plastics industry saved us from this problem with the introduction of chlorinated polyethylene (CPE). This flexible rubber like material is impervious to water and resists virtually any chemicals you can find within a typical residential home. It is also easy to work with!

Let's Get To Work

If you plan to install a shower pan liner yourself, it isn't too hard. It can be made infinitely easier if you can adjust the rough framing slightly. A trick I learned long ago is NOT to frame the shower wall corners tightly. I used to leave a 1/4 inch space at each corner. This means the total wall length is 1/2 inch shorter than the opening. This gap is a perfect place to store the extra CPE membrane material that bunches up as you round the corner. I would fold this material back on itself and nail it to the backside of one of the corner studs. If you don't do this, you end up with a hump of CPE liner in each corner. This excess material WILL cause your cement board wall material to angle out at the bottom.


Before you read much more, you may find a better guide in my Shower Pan Liner eBook. I must sell 50 of these bad boys a week and I seriously can't remember the last time anyone wanted a refund. You will not find better photos and instructions anywhere.

Lap it Up!

The CPE membrane needs to lap up the sides of the shower basin walls at least 9 inches. A 12 inch lap is not unreasonable if you can afford to do it. The CPE material I would use comes in 4 and 5 foot widths. This allows you to accomplish a lap height fairly easily in standard sized showers.

Nail Heads

All nail heads in the subfloor need to be recessed. A nail head sticking above the floor might - over time - punch a hole in the membrane! Check for large splinters at the same time. I actually vacuum the area before installing the liner to remove any grit that could cause a problem.

Rout a Channel

The plastic plumbing drain you will invariably use has a 1/8 to 3/16ths inch thick flange lip on it. If you simply cut a hole for the drain assembly the flange will project above the top of the subfloor. This is bad news in my opinion. This means that water captured by the liner needs to climb over this lip to enter the weep holes. We all know water doesn't travel uphill (I know all about capillary attraction...doesn't work here!)

The solution is to rout a mortise or channel that allows the top of the drain flange to be flush with the subfloor. If you have a router handy it takes longer to get it out of the case than it does to actually use it to cut the mortise. This often overlooked detail, if forgotten, can cause a problem in some cases.

The Weep Holes

The plastic clamping ring drain has small weep holes. Look at it closely and you will see them. These holes are vitally important. If they get clogged with cement from the mud base, you are toast. Small washed gravel placed over the holes prevents clogs. When you cut the CPE membrane, make sure it does not interfere with the weep holes in any way. After the membrane and drain are tied together you should be able to see clearly through the holes down into the drain basin.

The Cement Base

The first cement mud bases I poured were goofed up. I made the cement/sand mixture too thin. You want your cement mud to be stiff, just like sand you use at the beach to make sand castles. The mixture will have plenty of moisture so that the cement will harden, trust me!

You must install the cement wall board in the shower area over the top of the CPE membrane. Hold the cement board up about 1 inch from the bottom of the membrane. With the cement board in place you can trace a level line on the cement board. This will help you place the cement mud perfectly. You only need about 1/8 inch per foot fall in the cement mud base. Be sure the cement base has no humps or dips or else laying the floor tile will be a nightmare!


Now that the shower pan liner is installed, it is time for the cement mud floor. Make a mistake here and your tile job will suffer. Get my Shower Pan Cement Mud Floor Installation eBook. It downloads instantly and comes with a no risk, 100 percent money back guarantee.



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Welcome! I, Tim Carter, don't answer questions here. If you post a question here in the Comments Area, perhaps another visitor will help you. You need to go to the Ask Tim page if you want a question answered. Once there, look closely at how many weeks behind we are. Please be patient as you use this free service. If you have an emergency and need to talk to me, there is an option there for you.
Terri Johnson
06 Dec 2008, 20:01
Is a shower water proof membrane needed if just placing new tile.
leo
10 Jul 2010, 22:35
hi i was wondering about shower membrain liners i did my shower floor without a liner and just filed it with concrete. i was wondering if it will be ok in the future will it leak?
Dave Stahl
27 Aug 2010, 08:11
Do you recommend putting down a sloped layer of cement under the membrane so that water that reaches the membrane flows to the drain? I have heard others recommend this.
Peach
09 Nov 2010, 14:24
A slope is REQUIRED under a liner in most counties, and is the best practice. Placing the liner directly on the subfloor (i.e. flat to the drain) is asking for problems in the future. Water will sit in the liner, saturate the mud floor and could cause leaks and significant mold problems.

Mud Floor sloping towards the drain at the correct slope, then the liner, then the cement board, then the rest of the story...

G. Edwards
17 Jan 2011, 15:33
Can a plastic liner be installed over a lead pan? I am rebuilding/remodeling a gutted home. Too bad I didn't see this before my "old time" plumber installed the lead pan. He was so proud of giving me a lead shower pan that I don't have the heart to tell him I didn't think it wasn't the best choice. Also, he doesn't take criticism very well and I don't want to insult him. I am trying to find a nice way to tell him I would like to modify what he has done. My question is, can a plastic (PVC or other) liner be installed over a lead pan? We are in the rough-in stage of the plumbing project and he has already done the new lead pan. No mud/sand/mortar bed or anything else has been done. Is there anything else that I can have done to improve the waterproof integrity over the lead pan before we go any further? Thank you.

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