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Basement Insulation

By Tim Carter
©1993-2008 Tim Carter
Summary: Basement insulation may help keep your first floor warmer. Is insulation added to basement ceilings between the floor joists worthwhile? Insulation slows heat transfer, but choosing to insulate your basement ceiling is not the most efficient. Basement wall insulation may be the answer.

DEAR TIM: I have a question about insulating the basement ceiling in a house that is only 2-years old. The first floor is made from 2x10s and the cost of fiberglass batts to put in the joists is about $1,000.00. How much benefit would I receive if I only added batts say five feet in from the poured concrete walls all the way around the floor, leaving the middle of the floor space open? Is this worth it? We do not use the basement much, but I am hoping to keep the first floor a little warmer. As for heat supply in the basement, there are only two vents for heat. Bill Bosken, Toledo, Ohio

DEAR BILL: My answer is going to bring tears to the eyes of the insulation salesmen and sales women around the world. You should take that $1,000.00 and buy a superb value stock that might jump up in price 30-50% in the next 6 months. Spending it on insulation between a tempered basement area and a heated first-floor is perhaps one of the poorest investments of capital you can make.

Insulation is designed to slow the transfer of heat. Although I do not have a PhD in thermodynamics, I can tell you the transfer of heat is a non-linear function. This simply means that heat loss is great when the differences between the two temperatures is significant. If the temperature of two objects is fairly close, the warmer object slowly cools to the lower temperature. You can prove this very easily.

Take two 16 penny nails and put them in your oven. Set the temperature to 400F and let the nails get up to that temperature. Take the nails out of the oven and place one in an empty metal cake pan and place it in your freezer. Place the other hot nail in a metal cake pan that you set on your kitchen counter.


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After one minute, open the freezer door and quickly touch the nail. I am confident you will be able to touch it without getting burned. Wet your finger tip and then touch the other nail that is sitting on your counter. I'll bet you get a quick hiss of steam as that nail is still quite hot.

This simple experiment should tell you that the heat transfer between your heated first floor which is probably 70-72F and your basement which might be 60F is extremely slow. The amount of energy you would save in fuel costs would be measured in pennies and possibly nickels each heating season, not in dollars. It could take you decades before you break even on the initial investment of $1,000.00 for the fiberglass batts you are thinking of placing in the floor joists.

What's more, you will discover that your basement will become more uncomfortable and colder than it is now. If you do any work down there, you may find yourself adding heat so you can work in relative comfort.

Because your basement walls are conducting cold into your basement via the cold ground outside, it might be worthwhile to add insulation over your exposed masonry foundation. You can choose to use closed-cell foam or fiberglass if you choose. But be sure you check with your local building department as some insulations that are flammable - such as closed cell foam - must be covered with drywall or other approved material to prevent rapid fire/flame spread.

I would also inspect the juncture between the wood framing and the top of the concrete foundation. Do this on a windy day and try to feel for air leaks. Air infiltration can be a major drain on your heating budget. Pack insulation in any cracks you discover or caulk them to stop air flow.

 






Comments

Matt
04 Dec 2007, 13:18
Dear Tim: I understand what you are saying about the financial savings being small, but do you feel that the comfort level on the first floor would increase? We live in the midwest and have wood floors that set bare on the joists and are thus directly exposed to the basement air. I already bought $200 worth of insulation, but after reading your column, I am a bit concerned that I may be doing the wrong thing. The basement is unfinished and has 120 year old concrete/stone foundation for it's walls, so I am not sure how foam insulation (as you recommend) would install, as I do not want to frame in the entire basement in order to install insulation.

Any recommendations for making the first floor more consistently warmer?

Thank you.
robert
09 Dec 2007, 13:17
Ihave a five year old home & am plannig to finish my basement. I have never had any moisture problems and have asked several people how to insulate the walls & have got several different answers. Do I need a vapor barrier and do I put it on the concrete side or the room side. I have also been told to use 3/4 foam against the concrete walls. I have also been told to leave an air gap between the interior walls & the concrete walls. The cost is not a big factor to me. I do not want to have any mold problems & do nt want moisture to wick into the insulation. THANKS
AsktheBuilder
09 Dec 2007, 15:29
Robert,
I answer all of these in other articles here at AsktheBuilder.com. You need to read all of the ones I have about basement remodeling and insulation.
Fred
19 Dec 2007, 15:46
There is no subfloor under the wide pine boards on our parlor, dining room and guest bedroom floor. (Our kitchen floor does have one from an old linoleum floor we have pulled up and replaced with wood.) The cellar is very cold and damp and oil prices are out there. Although you do not recommend insulating the basement ceiling, wouldn't it advisable for us to staple up plastic sheeting on the basement ceiling?
Thank you!
AsktheBuilder
19 Dec 2007, 15:58
Fred,
The plastic will be of no value as water vapor will escape through the stairwell to the first floor.
mark
06 Jan 2008, 13:19
Tim,
sorry for re-asking roberts question but i was unable to find the answer without taking the day off work ;). i live in newfoundland. it gets pretty chilly here. do you recommend using 3/4 foam against the concrete walls combined with r12 fiberglass? i've been getting many mixed opinions regarding this topic. some say to just leave the air space behind the 2x3 and use a layer of r-12. what do you recommend i do? if you have answered this question already could you post a link to the answer? thanks.
AsktheBuilder
06 Jan 2008, 14:44
Mark,
A day off work to read my stuff.....can it get any better than that? :->

If this is an old home with the likelihood of foundation leaks, you will thank yourself for creating the air space.
mark
09 Jan 2008, 20:34
its a new built home we just purchased. ive been getting so many conflicting opinions. holy cow! I plan to use 1.5-2 inch polybead foam. and a layer of r12 batt insulation. sound good?
AsktheBuilder
10 Jan 2008, 07:44
Mark,
Go for it.
clarence
16 Jan 2008, 08:40
I am making a bed room in the basement and my question is what should I use on the basement ceiling for sound. as this room will be directly under another bedroom and I want to stop the amount of sound that travels between floors.
we have laminate floors through out the main floor.

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