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Lot Drainage Problems

DEAR TIM: My backyard is not level. The ground slopes from the left to the right as you look out my back kitchen window. The land in the subdivision slopes this general direction until it hits a small creek three blocks away. Ever since my neighbor built an in-ground swimming pool I have water ponding at the boundary line between our two lots. It eventually goes away, but it's unsightly. Why did this happen, how can it be fixed, who's responsible and could it have been prevented? Lynn R., Colerain Township, OH

DEAR LYNN: I've seen my fair share of property line issues like this in my lifetime. Years ago, I had a minor run in with my neighbor at the new house I built for my family. This neighbor claimed that all sorts of extra water was now running across her lot that never had been there before.

The lot I built on was tilted towards her house before I built. What I was quick to point out was that she was getting less water coming at her home because all of my roof water was being piped to the rear of my lot and deposited into a creek where it would have ended up had it run across her lot. We ended up being friends in the end when she saw I was trying to help her drainage issues. My college degree in geology and geomorphology has paid off more times than I can remember!

If you had been lucky enough to sit in Dr. Lattman's geomorphology lectures, you'd quickly discover that Mother Nature hates level ground and is constantly trying to erode, shape and transport all land to the oceans. Land that looks level is almost always slightly sloped towards a creek, brook, stream or river. If you do run across level land, it's almost always been artificially created by man or beaver.

This ponding of rainwater is not normal. The next door neighbor blocked the natural swale with a new swimming pool. Photo credit: Tim Carter

This ponding of rainwater is not normal. The next door neighbor blocked the natural swale with a new swimming pool. Photo credit: Tim Carter

In your case the cause of the problem is pretty simple. As you point out, before your neighbor's pool was installed the land where the pool sits was lower and your neighbor's lot was tilted towards the natural creek. The pool builders, no doubt, raised the pool deck slightly above the level of the land at the property line.

If they had not done this, the overland flow of rain water would run into the pool fouling the clear sparkling water. The pool, in effect, has become a miniature Hoover Dam.

The sad thing is your miniature Lake Mead on your lot could have been prevented with a little extra work on the part of the pool builder. At the very least, he had two options.

The pool builder could have built the pool even higher than it is now and then extended the natural swale around the pool on one or both sides. This is easier said than done because it's all a matter of how much fall there was across your neighbor's rear yard.

It's a tough tolerance to maintain when grading land, but the minimum slope plumbers use in house drain piping will allow water to flow across open land and not pond. Plumbers usually slope drain pipes at one eighth inch of fall per foot of run. This means for every eight foot of horizontal travel, the land drops down just one inch. You can slope it more if you can and this helps transport more water faster.

The second option the pool builder could have employed was to install a field drain at the bottom of the natural swale at the property line. This catch basin would connect to buried drain pipe that transported the water around the pool and then dump it onto the ground on your neighbor's lot.

The issues with this solution are many. First, the field drain slotted cover will need periodic maintenance to keep it free of debris. If the bottom of the catch basin is not cleaned out on a regular basis, then the pipes eventually may clog with silt. The water traveling in the pipes will move faster than it would across the open grass, so it will have more eroding energy when it exits the pipe.

Your neighbor is responsible for fixing this problem. He, or the pool builder, should have known it was going to happen. It would have been so much easier to deal with while the pool was under construction.

If you're friendly with your neighbor and can have a civil discussion about the solution, I'd advise you to go for the open swale around the pool rather than the field drain and piping. This method, now that the pool is built, is probably the least expensive fix. That makes it a win-win for you and your neighbor.

Most common law is pretty clear on this issue. You're usually not allowed to impede water causing it to flood an adjacent lot. You're also not allowed to reshape your lot and dump water in a direction it otherwise would not have flowed naturally. Let's hope you don't have to get attorneys involved in this dispute.

Your county or township health officials may be able to provide some leverage if your neighbor resists fixing the issue. The standing water is a health issue as it provides a great breeding ground for mosquitoes and other insects of interest.

I'm hoping you have a good relationship with your neighbor and he'll work as fast as possible to fix your lot drainage issue!

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3 Responses to Lot Drainage Problems

  1. Susan Santare says:

    I just came across this reply and wasn’t sure I can ask
    a question. My neighbor was just given letters from the Town and a builder. They are threatening to take her to court if she doesn’t solve their drainage problem. A new lot backs up to her property. The builder discovered that there is a huge drainage problem. He dug down and saw gravel and plastic. The thing is it was on the lot not her property. They are saying that since they found the mitigation system for a drainage problem it must be coming from her land. The lot is at the base of a steep hill with a neighborhood above it. The neighbor’s land is flat, with no drainage issues. Do you know who is responsible for fixing the drainage on the new lot? Two Town inspectors came to look and agreed with the builder. She asked if anyone had dug down along her property line. No one had. Any suggestions on how she should proceed? Thanks. Susan

    • Tim Carter says:

      Susan,

      You know who town building inspectors are for the most part, don't you? They are builders who couldn't survive in the day-to-day ecosystem and run a business. So many become inspectors.

      What are the odds that the builder in this case and the inspectors are buddies?

      Your neighbor needs to hire a TOUGH real estate LITIGATING attorney.

      I did expert witness work for over 15 years and can advise her on how to solve this problem.

      She should arrange for one of my consult calls ASAP.

      http://shop.askthebuilder.com/products/15-Minute-Phone-Conversation-with-Tim.html

  2. KIM STENCIL says:

    I need a consult call like nobody's business. Can you email me your rates?
    Thank you!

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