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DEAR TIM: The master bath ventilation fan in our ten year old home vents directly into the attic space. There are several rooftop stationary vents and a power attic fan. A severe hailstorm one year ago dented all of the vent covers. The insurance inspector said the roofing and vents were leak-free despite the dents. An inspection in the attic reveals white fuzzy mold on the tops of the rafters at the peak of the roof. Do you think the hail is to blame? What is wrong? Mike T., Chicago, IL
DEAR MIKE: Although some people say I have strong mystic powers, I can't say for a fact that the hailstorm is not to blame. But the chances of the mold being caused by leaks produced by hail is remote at best. The master bathroom fan and any other fans that vent directly into the attic space are pumping vast amounts of humid air and mold spores into the attic space. This moisture is one of the necessary ingredients that is required to support the mold growth and allow it to flourish. Each time you operate the fan, the growing mold gets a new lease on life.
The issue is a serious one for any number of reasons. Because you live in a colder climate, rapid and significant wood rot is a possibility. The humid air that discharges from the fan during the winter months can rapidly condense into liquid water on all of the cold roof framing lumber and the underside of the roof sheathing. The fact that you are seeing the mold at the tips of the roof rafters is consistent with this line of reasoning as warm air rises. I would not be surprised if you actually have wood rot in several of the rafters.
I have found that it is often best to vent fans and dryers through the roof. I urge you to watch this video of mine to see how easy it is to install the correct vent-cap flashing on a roof. Have no fear - if done right you will have no leaks.
The first thing you need to do is to stop the introduction of moist air into the attic. Fan manufacturers typically offer termination caps for walls, soffits and roofs. I prefer to ventilate my bathroom fans through the roof. I use a special roof hood that accepts four-inch diameter galvanized metal ventilation pipe. The solid pipe offers the least resistance to the movement of air. Many bath fan manufacturers highly recommend the use of this solid metal piping.
The roof termination cap is typically equipped with a damper that stops cold drafts and snow from blowing back down into the pipe. This damper works hand-in-hand with the small damper that is usually found in the fan itself.
It is vitally important for the metal ducting pipe to be well insulated for its entire length. If you do not do this, you will very likely have water dripping from your fan during the winter months. Uninsulated metal pipe can get very cold when the fan is not in use. As the warm moist air passes through this cold pipe, some of it can turn into liquid water. You may think the roof is leaking when in fact, it is simply condensed water that is running down the inside of the pipe towards the fan cover.
Perhaps the best way to insulate this metal pipe is a spray-foam insulation. These expanding foams can coat the entire pipe and provide the necessary protection to prevent condensation. Wrapping batt insulation around the pipe and taping it may not work. If the tape fails over time because of extremes in temperature, the insulation may fall off or partially expose part of the metal pipe. Be sure to remove any mill oil from the exterior of the pipe before you apply the spray foam insulation. A one inch thick coat of expanded foam over the entire exterior surface of the pipe should be sufficient.
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Valerie 01 Feb 2008, 18:59
The master bathroom ventilation fan exits on our rooftop. Our home is a
single story home. The vent cover got knocked off the roof during a strong
wind/rain storm. We did not immediately put the cover back on the roof and
the very next night strong wind and rain returned. Water began to drip
from the bathroom ceiling so I removed the plastic cover where water about
(1 ounce)had accumulated. I have no idea how much water entered through
the vent and dripped down into the fan itself because water was also
absorbed by the sheet rock. There was a 3/4 circle about 7 inches in
diameter in the ceiling. Two questions: Is it safe to use the fan once it
has had an opportunity to dry out, or should we replace the whole fan?
Second: Is it normal for the vent cover to be the only thing preventing water from entering via the roof??? On inspecting the attic, there appears to be no evidence water came in around the vent shaft. So that is good, but we also did NOT see the damper I read about on some of the other posts. Any advice you can offer would be appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help.
AsktheBuilder 01 Feb 2008, 19:31
Valerie,
The fan should be fine to use after it dries out. You need to read all of my Bathroom Fan columns and watch the video I have about installing the Bath Fan Flashing.
carl depasquale 02 Feb 2008, 19:55
i installed a power vent in the bathroom but i am not sure how to install
the roof vent on the roof, i have a three tab roof. the thought of cutting
a 4 in. hole in my roof makes me think i better ask the right way to
install it thanks for the help carl
AsktheBuilder 03 Feb 2008, 07:31
Carl,
You need to watch my video about this exact topic. http://www.askthebuilder.com/Roof_Flashing_for_Bathroom_Fans_Video.shtml That will give you the confidence you lack!
Steve Butler 18 Feb 2008, 08:44
I am purchasing a home where the ventilation terminates to the attic.
There is some mold on the roof joint, but no wood rot. I want to have a
new ventillation fan installed, and have the exhaust exit through the roof
using a termination cap on the roof. Normally what type of contracter
should I look for to do this job. I am not confident enough to attempt any
of the work on my own. Normally should I be able to find a single person
that can install the fan, and intall the roof cap termination? Thanks for
any information.
AsktheBuilder 23 Feb 2008, 21:13
Steve,
A really good HVAC person is who I would look for. You need to watch my video that shows how to install the Bath Fan Roof Flashing. Make sure the contractor does it that way.
Mike 26 Feb 2008, 13:26
I am installing a new bathroom exhaust fan, I would like to tie the new
exhaust vent with an existing vent from another bathroom. Is this against
any building codes.
I am trying to avoid putting another 4" hole in the side of my house. Thanks
AsktheBuilder 02 Mar 2008, 10:12
Mike,
Ask your local building inspector.
dennis 21 Apr 2008, 19:01
putting a bathroom in the basement ,someone told me i could run the vent
fan into the cold air return.
would like your opinon thanks
Mike Mani 29 Jul 2008, 16:49
I have just recently had my shingles and vent replace on my home. What is
different are the vents that they installed on my home. What I'm wondering
is there a difference in what type of vent you install on the roof? I had
what they called a turtle vent, now I have duct vents on my roof. Should I
make them install the same vents or am I just making something out of
nothing. Thanks for your time.
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