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Poured Concrete vs. Block Walls

By Tim Carter
©1993-2008 Tim Carter
Summary: A concrete block foundation can be stronger than a poured concrete foundation. They differ in the size of gravel used, and that concrete blocks are hollow while poured concrete is solid. Reinforcing steel can be used to strengthen either material.

DEAR TIM: What is the difference between concrete block and poured concrete foundation walls? Which one is better? The lot I am going to build upon has a seasonably high water table. Which of the wall systems would insure a dry basement? Diane J., Redwood Falls, MN

DEAR DIANE: I think it might have been easier to answer a question such as: Is a glorious sunrise more beautiful than a magnificent sunset? The truth of the matter is that both building materials - concrete block and poured concrete - can yield superior foundation walls so long as they are installed correctly. All too often builders and sub-contractors fail to realize the limitations of certain masonry materials. When this happens, foundation failures are a common occurrence.

The first thing to realize is that concrete block is made from poured concrete. The primary ingredients in concrete block happen to be: Portland cement, gravel aggregate and sand. These are the same ingredients you would find in a poured concrete foundation. The only difference being the size of the gravel used in each application. Typically you will see gravel stones as large as three -quarter inch diameter in a poured concrete foundation. A concrete block may have gravel no larger than the size of a pea.

Poured concrete foundations are solid through and through. This happens by default as the plastic concrete flows from the ready mix trucks into the foundation forms. The typical concrete block foundation is not solid. The concrete blocks that are used to build block foundations, by their very nature, are hollow.

When concrete blocks are stacked on top of one another, you can look down through the center of the foundation. After the concrete blocks are laid, the voids can be filled with a cement-based mortar or poured concrete that contains small pea gravel. If the builder does this, then the filled concrete block walls are nearly identical to poured concrete walls.

But simply doing this is not enough to satisfy myself, code officials and structural engineers. Concrete and things made from concrete or cement tend to have fantastic compressive strength. Often it is measured in the thousands of pounds per square inch range. But the same material typically has only one-tenth the strength when you apply a tension or stretching force to it. Bending a poured concrete or concrete block wall creates tension. Backfilled soil against a wall produces tension as the soil pushes against the wall. Poor quality soil creates tension on a foundation as more and more weight is added to the foundation as the house is built.

You can strengthen poured concrete and concrete block walls by including reinforcing steel. Often you will see horizontal steel bars placed in the lower and upper sections of poured foundation walls. This steel often has a tensile strength of 40,000 pounds per square inch. This horizontal steel helps prevent vertical cracks should the foundation drop or heave. Horizontal wire fabric can also be placed in the mortar joints between layers of concrete block to achieve the same result in a concrete block wall.

Vertical reinforcing steel is also very important. This steel can be put in both a poured concrete foundation and a concrete block wall that will have the hollow voids filled with cement grout or pea gravel concrete. The reinforcing steel should be one-half inch in diameter and these rods should be connected to the poured concrete footer that the foundation rests upon. This steel should be placed every two feet on center.

Neither wall system will be waterproof. If you want a dry basement or crawlspace you must apply a foundation waterproofing system to the exterior of the foundation walls after they are built. In addition, a drain piping system needs to be at the base of the wall adjacent to the footer. This pipe is covered with two or three feet of washed gravel. The gravel is then covered with six inches of straw or a sheet of tar paper before dirt is placed over it. The straw and tar paper prevent silt from the fluffed up backfill dirt from clogging the gravel. The water that flows through the soil and makes it to the pipe is then drained to daylight if the house is built on a sloping lot. If the house is built on a level lot, the drain pipe often empties into a sump pit.

 






Comments

karen pedersen
26 Nov 2007, 11:09
We have to build a concrete block wall that will be dug into a hill. The top of the back wall will be about 2 feet above the top of the hill so the back wall will have dirt pushing on it and the side walls will have the earth tapering down to grade at the front of the building. Can we go with regular 8-inch blocks as long as we fill them with re-bar and concrete? Please advise. Thanks.
ATB
26 Nov 2007, 11:26
Maybe............ Contact a residential structural engineer. The best money you will spend on this project.
Robert K.
23 Dec 2007, 14:24
Tim,

I've tried to find the answer to this to no avail.

I am in the planning process of new home construction, and the builder is suggesting having the back section of the house be constructed of block concrete while the rest of the house will have poured walls.

From the builder’s explanation, because the back of the house will have a full walk-out condition and no backfill it would be OK to have a block wall. He states that because of the large quantity of windows in the back, a block wall would enable more precise placement of the windows vs. a poured wall (where the openings are purposely made larger and the voids filled with 2X4’s for final installation of the windows).

My concern is what affect, if any, will the poured & block wall combination have to the overall longevity of the foundation?

If not, is there anything special that needs to be done to “connect” the corners where the poured section and block wall come together?

Is this really the best option or are there some other options we should consider?

Many thanks for your help & have a great Holiday, Rob
AsktheBuilder
23 Dec 2007, 14:59
Rob,
You are correct. It is possible to do this with poured concrete IF the builder has a foundation sub that has a clue of what to do. The key to success is accurate rough-in dimensions. You are right, make the poured openings larger and install treated lumber to get to where you need to be.
Nicholas Moog
23 Jan 2008, 16:55
What is the least expensive building material I can use to build a 17,000 sqft warehouse. Steel buildings run about 6 to 7.50 dollars a sqft. Would poured concrete, concrete block or wood be more cost effective.

Thanks for your time,

Nick
AsktheBuilder
24 Jan 2008, 15:22
Nick,
You may be joisting at windmills. Local building and FIRE codes may severely restrict your options. Discover first what is allowed and then get bids.
shawn wetmore
27 Jan 2008, 11:20
we are haveing our home built by a contractor and have noticed a few things our old house of 10 years had a sill gasket put on top of the cenemt before any of the wood touched it our contractor did not he says it is not needed. there is so much new on the market we didn't know. thanks
AsktheBuilder
27 Jan 2008, 11:24
Shawn,
You need a sill gasket to stop air infiltration.
Chuck
30 Jan 2008, 16:45
My contract built using concrete block on top of a 10"X10" concrete footings. On the back and sides the block are stacked 5 high and the front is 3 high. They are reinforced with rebar. Rebar in the footings and up to the top the blocks, there is horizontal rebar on in the 2 row of blocks and rebar on the top of the blocks. All of which I am happy with. My concern comes with the block filler they used. Normal concrete with up to 1"-1 1/2" gravel. From what I have read, shouldn't they have used pea size gravel? And is it Ok to use the larger gravel? What problems can I be looking at?

Thank You
Chuck
AsktheBuilder
30 Jan 2008, 16:49
Chuck,
You are wrong. They should be using pea-gravel concrete to fill the cavities in concrete block. I have a column that tells you maximum aggregate size. Type aggregate into my search engine to find it.

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