Granite Countertops

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Summary: Granite countertops are very heavy. When you try to balance one on a thin half wall, bad things can happen. Countertops that are not properly supported can flip and crash to the ground. Furthermore, the short wall needs to be braced so it does not wobble and tip.

DEAR TIM: I recently cut away the top half of an interior non-load bearing wall so I could open up the space between two adjacent rooms. I plan to put a countertop on top of the wall so we can use it for eating and a conversation center. But the one end of this new half-wall is now very flimsy and rocks back and forth. How can I strengthen this wall and how do you attach the wide countertop to this thin half-wall so that the top does not flip when someone leans on it? Mike S., Richmond, VA

DEAR MIKE: This sounds like a great project to add value to a home. Creating a pass-through space on top of a half-wall or doing major surgery as you have done really helps to make a home feel more inviting. Even if that original wall had been a load-bearing wall, the top half of it could have been removed. When faced with this situation, it is always best to hire a residential structural engineer to help create the plan for the needed structural modifications.

This wall assembly has two things that ensure it is strong and the countertop will not tip over; a short wall at the end of the long wall and a steel plate that supports the countertop. PHOTO CREDIT: Tim Carter
This wall assembly has two things that ensure it is strong and the countertop will not tip over; a short wall at the end of the long wall and a steel plate that supports the countertop. PHOTO CREDIT: Tim Carter
It is easy to understand why the end of the half-wall wobbles. Before you cut the original wall, the top of it was securely fastened at the ceiling. I am quite sure slight or moderate force at this point will cause the half-wall to bend over to the floor. If the floor beneath this half-wall is a traditional wood floor system and you can access the underside of the wood floor via a basement or crawl space, you may be able to remove the wobble in the half-wall in less than 30 minutes.

If you add one 2x4 stud to the end of the half-wall, making sure this stud passes through the wood subfloor and is long enough to extend to the bottom of the floor joists below, nearly all of the wobble in the half-wall can be removed. This long 2x4 needs to be bolted directly to the half-wall above the floor as well as to the side of a floor joist or to solid-wood blocking that's placed between two floor joists.

It is important for the bottom portion of this stud that is below the level of the floor to be secured at two points to the floor joist or the solid-wood blocking. This double connection minimizes rotation of the stud as a person pushes against the top of the half-wall.

If the floor is a concrete slab or you are unable to gain access to the underside of the floor, you have to strengthen the half-wall from above. This can be done a number of ways, but I prefer to add a second short wall that is oriented at 90 degrees to the half-wall. This short wall needs to be faced on both sides with three-quarter inch thick plywood that is screwed to the short wall studs. This wall also needs to be securely bolted to the half-wall. Do not nail it, as over time the nails may work loose. When you securely bolt this short wall to the floor, you will be amazed at how stiff the half-wall becomes.

Securing a countertop that is perhaps 20 or even 24 inches in width to a half-wall that is only 5 or 6 inches wide is asking for trouble. As you know, it is impractical to bolt the countertop to the half-wall from the visible finished side of the top. The connection must be done on the underside of the top.

Many builders and designers use decorative brackets that help support the top and offset the downward rotation that happens when a person pushes down against the edge of the top. I am not a huge fan of these brackets for any number of reasons. For starters they can get in the way of peoples knees who might sit at stools as they eat or drink at the countertop. Some brackets can detract from the sleek look of the half-wall and the countertop.

One method that has worked well for me is to use a piece of flat one-eighth-inch-thick plate steel that is screwed and bolted to the top of the half-wall. I prefer to order the steel plate so that it is four inches less in width and length than the finished countertop. The short wall wall at the end of the half-wall becomes an ally when you use this steel support plate. When the steel plate passes over this small wall and is secured to it, it is very difficult to twist the steel plate farther down the half-wall.

Holes drilled in the steel plate allow you to place screws through it into the underside of the countertop. If the countertop is one that will not readily accept screws - such as natural stone, man-made stone or a solid-surface material, then use epoxy to adhere the countertop to the large steel plate.

The other advantage to using the steel plate is the extra strength it imparts to the finished top. If your countertop will be made from natural stone, the steel plate prevents cracks that may happen if too much weight is placed at the edge of the countertop.

A well-placed finished cabinet at the end of a half-wall can take the place of the short wall. The cabinet, by default, is very stable. Once the countertop is screwed to the cabinet, there is much less wobble in the half-wall. The width and depth of the cabinets helps to resist the top flipping if people push down on its edge.

When building a new home or doing an extensive remodel, the options a builder has to strengthen these long half-walls are many. Precisely placed steel angle irons can be poured into a concrete slab. Half-walls built above wood subfloors can be located so the long stud at the end of the half-wall passes directly next to a floor joist. There are often as many options as there are clever builders and carpenters!



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Dennis
30 Dec 2007, 17:41
A local contractor sells and installs 3/4 inch granite over plywood.He states that this is sufficient for kitchen countertops. I do not want to go with the 1 1/4 inch because of the cost and this is a condo that I will sell in 2 years. Will it hold up under normal use?
AsktheBuilder
30 Dec 2007, 18:06
Dennis,
As long as there is a great bond between the granite and the plywood you should be fine.
Paul Davies
10 Aug 2008, 12:27
I recently had granite countertops installed in my kitchen. The slide-in range is 1/2" above the surface and the granite contrator says it's my fault for not having a general contractor on site to inform me that an underlayment needed to be applied first. This is after the crew measured the counter height (less than the 36" standard), the new flooring and the height of the range.

Who's responsibility is it to have misse this one? I'm not a builder and rely on my hired tradespeople to know what they are doing to give a good result.

Any thoughts? And thanks.
Ueyn Block
11 Sep 2008, 17:16
I'm building a peninsula with 24" x 48" cabinets that will have a 3/4-inch-thick granite counter with 12" overhangs on two adjacent sides for stools/eating. I.e., clockwise: 24" side attached to wall, 48" side with overhang, 24" side with overhang, 48" side with drawers and no overhang.

I plan to use a metal plate as the subcounter to get the necessary strength for the overhangs. I just returned from a local metal shop where I planned to get a 1/4"-thick steel sheet cut to size. Looking at their stock of sheets, there is a noticeable bow to the metal with as much as a quarter-inch excursion from flat at the center. I may be able to remove some of the bow when I bolt the sheet to the cabinets, but it will surely not be perfectly flat.

How do you recommend dealing with the fact that the metal is not as flat as the granite? Should I install with the valley of the bow in the center (i.e., edges curled up) and use a sufficient quantity of hard epoxy to lay the granite on, thus filling the void? Should I be using a thinner plate that can deform more with the weight of the granite?

Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!
susan peck
19 Sep 2008, 05:37
Is there any way I can change the front of my dish washer to stainless from the white? It seems like our old one had interchangable fronts? Is there something I could buy?
Roger
23 Sep 2008, 06:35
Susan,

Have you checked with your current dish washer manufacturer for interchangeable fronts? Try searching the Internet for the manufacturer. They might offer the replacement face you need.
kevin lee
10 Nov 2008, 07:53
I am installing a 2ft x 4ft island , with a 3 x 5 granite top. 1 ft. overhand on 2 sides.

Is it ok to put a 1/4" aluminum plate that is 4" smaller than the stone size under for support instead of brackets?
AaronZ
01 Dec 2008, 22:20
We had our granite countertop installed about 6 years ago. We knocked out a wall that had a pocket door that could be shut to close off the galley kitchen. It's definitely different than your experience where you left part of the wall. We removed the whole wall and supported the granite slab on the new cabinets.

As for the overhang, our granite fabricator / installer had us put down 5/8" plywood on top of the counter. We've got an overhang of about 18" for a sitting area and there are no additional supports.

If I was doing it over, I might consider other options. I ran across this site when looking for info on radon, pricing, and cleaning of granite. Good info for anyone who owns or is considering a granite countertop.

<a href="http://bestkitchencountertops.com/granite-countertops/">Granite countertop info - pros & cons, maintenance and more</a>
john
30 Aug 2009, 11:23
I recently had granite countertops installed and I am not happy with them. First I don'think this is the slab I picked out. It has a crackly appearance. Home depot told me these were fissures. the granite also seems to steadily giving off a sandy texture. They are not smooth like in the store. Also when water is on the granite it darkens the granite like a stain that later lifts away. Will this get worste. Is it possible they were not sealed properly.
Debbie
08 Oct 2009, 15:28
I am buiding a new house with a large kitchen and large island. I will have a sink under my window and plan to put one sink on the large breakfast bar that is separate from the kichen sink cabinet. The center island will have a jenn air stove top.
Is this a good idea? Are people putting in two full size sinks in their kitchens?
Debbie in Texas

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