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Pouring Concrete

By Tim Carter
©1993-2008 Tim Carter
Summary: How many people does it take to pour concrete? Depends upon a lot of factors. Concrete work is not easy. Pouring a concrete patio where you have to unload the truck 100 feet away from the concrete forms, needs many helpers. Tim uses his concrete calculator to estimate helpers.

DEAR TIM: Right at the top of my honey-do list is pouring concrete for a 15 by 25 feet patio at my home. The patio will be 5-inches thick. My calculations indicate this is almost six cubic yards of concrete. How many people will I need to help me pour this concrete slab. The closest I can get the concrete truck is 100 feet to the patio. What challenges do you see? Jay W., Green Bay, WI

DEAR JAY: Looking into the pouring-a-concrete-pad crystal ball, I see many challenges for you. This is a very big slab for a concrete rookie and his band of groupies. Without the proper number of people who have the right equipment and skills, I see nothing but problems. Lots of problems.

First, there are all sorts of ways to unload the concrete from the delivery truck into the forms for your concrete patio. I assume you are on a tight budget and can't afford the cost of a concrete pump that would make this job as easy as possible. You may be able to rent any number of motorized vehicles made to transport concrete. A skid-steer loader with a large bucket does a superb job as does a motorized hopper made specifically for moving concrete from a ready-mix truck to the patio.

If you are unable to get this equipment and must use traditional man-powered wheelbarrows, you must make sure your 100-foot travel distance is accurate. If this distance assumes the concrete truck is going to back onto your driveway, I sure hope your driveway was built to handle the load. A truck that carries that six-cubic yards of concrete in one load can weigh as much as 20 or 30 tons. You can order the concrete from some ready-mix concrete plants in small trucks that may only carry one or two cubic yards at a time. Large concrete trucks that carry 10 cubic yards of concrete can weigh in at a staggering 35 to 40 tons!

Pouring concrete can be hard work. Each wheelbarrow load can weigh hundreds of pounds. PHOTO CREDIT: Tim Carter
The topography of your yard is also important. If the yard is level, then moving the concrete from the truck to the patio forms will be somewhat easy. If a slope is involved, then the work will be very hard. A construction wheelbarrow full of concrete can weigh nearly four hundred pounds. Trying to push that up a slight grade is grueling work. Trying to hold back that weight going down a hill is a recipe for spilled loads. If you do have a sloped yard, then you will be transporting small loads in each wheelbarrow.

I estimate you will need a minimum of five people wheeling concrete. It only takes ten or fifteen seconds to fill a wheelbarrow with a full or partial load of concrete. The trip from the truck to the patio and back will be at least two minutes. Remember, concrete trucks only allow so much time to unload without charging you for extra truck time.

Once the concrete is dumped, you will need a minimum of three people, possibly four, to spread the concrete and screed it off. A screed is a 10-foot long aluminum or wood straightedge that is pulled across the wet concrete. The screed acts like a man-powered bulldozer by removing excess concrete. It also shows where the concrete is low.

Two people are needed to efficiently and accurately screed the concrete. The third person is spotting the deliveries of the concrete and using a concrete rake to puddle the concrete to the right height. This job requires great skill so the two people working the screed do not have to pull too much concrete with the screeding tool.

Prepare for hot or wet weather. High temperatures can accelerate the chemical reaction that causes the concrete to transform from a plastic mixture to man-made stone. You can have the concrete company add chemicals that will slow this reaction. Do not add water to the concrete mix to make it more plastic. This additional water dilutes the Portland cement making the concrete weaker than the original design strength.

All sorts of things can go wrong that will cause stress and problems as you pour the concrete. Wheelbarrows and other hand tools can break. Low pressure in the wheelbarrow tires can make wheeling nearly impossible. The concrete form boards can fail or bow because they were installed poorly.

You should place reinforcing steel in a concrete slab like this. A fourth person working inside the forms will be necessary to ensure the reinforcing steel is pulled up into the wet concrete. Steel mesh is often laid on the grade, and it must be pulled up with a large hook to get the steel into the center of the slab. If steel rods are used as the reinforcement, these must also be suspended above the grade so concrete flows under and over the steel.

Be very careful about getting wet concrete on your skin. The concrete is extremely alkaline, and can cause sever second and third-degree burns. I know this for a fact as it happened to me on a hot summer day pouring a large basement slab. I had two massive burns on my upper and lower leg that kept me from working for two weeks.

 






Comments

Will
29 Feb 2008, 19:02
Hey Tim,

I will be having a continous foundation with a crawl space. The truck will be able to get right next to the forms. Can one person handle this sort of job or would it require more people? I would think that this is the easiest type of poor..
AsktheBuilder
07 Mar 2008, 20:36
Will,

You need several people..... My foundation pours usually had 6 to 8 men working at a time.
Jason
25 Mar 2008, 02:42
Tim,
I've poured only a few slabs. I'm looking at pouring a 4.5 cu. yd extension driveway. They will occasionally park a car on it. Should I excavate it 4" or 6" with 2" of compacted stone or pebbles. And put mesh or rebar in it.
AsktheBuilder
25 Mar 2008, 07:43
Jason,
You need to read ALL of my past Concrete columns. There is more to it than that. All of your questions will be answered, plus you will discover all sorts of other helpful tips.
Bruce
11 Apr 2008, 20:51
Tim,

I've just spent an informative evening reading many of your columns. Great job and wonderful resource!

I must replace a garage floor due to point of sale housing inspection.

A 2" slab of asphalt was put on what is now 85 year old concrete... I was able to remove most of the asphalt in chunks!

Here's my issue... the existing floor has sunk and cracked in numerous places and must be jack hammered out.

However, the driveway has asphalt that has been built up over the years by many layers.

If I am to build up the concrete to match the asphalt, the concrete will be higher than the sills which will let water sit on them and rot.

I probably have a decent solution, as there is a drain in the middle of the garage floor.

Is the 1/8" per foot slope you talked about set in stone, or can I slope it more (I may have to because of the sill/drain relationship)

Is it okay to have a slope from the driveway into the garage leading to the drain? I may not have a choice here unless I jack up the entire garage!

When I jack hammer the floor, do I simply destroy the drain pipe and then replace?

If I go with a higher slope to the drain, should I go with a lower "slump" number?

Thank you in advance for your time and attention.

Bruce
AsktheBuilder
30 Apr 2008, 08:18
Bruce,
Slope the new floor to that drain. You should get a backhoe to remove some of the asphalt outdoors to stop the negative slope into the garage. That is bad.
wesm
30 May 2008, 22:29
man, if you need to ask what challenges you will have trucking 6 yards of concrete 100 feet, then all I have to say is DONT DO IT.
Rob
01 Aug 2008, 18:14
I'm looking to pour a patio slab of 825 square feet. It will be L shaped around bordering the back of the house and between the side of the house and side of the garage. I will eventually be putting down some sort of flagstone or tile. How thick should I go to ensure minimal cracking, I have it at 8" to overkill. Should I go with strictly rebar? Note I live in Norther Ontario. I also have a 6'x6' slab on one of the inside corners of the house, probably only 4" thick. Should I try to tie into it, or should I just excavate it and keep it all the same.
Tascha
04 Aug 2008, 17:30
I am trying to finish my patio, and I read that it needs a concrete slab, we are going to rent a mixer, its more expensive for us to have a truck come here, so we have to do it ourselves, but I want to make sure we buy the right stuff to make this concrete slab. So what would we use Portland Cement, mixed with water , or would we mix Portland Cement and Sand and then mix it to make this concrete slab? HELP PLEASE
Jim H
07 Aug 2008, 12:56
I'm planning on pouring a floor inside a building. What is the best way to spread the concrete and screed it off up next to the exterior wall?

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