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This column was inspired by emails and inquiries from some of my 31,000 subscribers who read my March 11, 2020 AsktheBuilder Newsletter.
This is a virtual review of a product and service sold by a USA company called Roof Maxx®. I say virtual because I’ve not used the product on my roof and even if I did, I don’t possess the scientific experience nor my own certified testing labs to tell you if the product does what the Roof Maxx® company claims that it does. I doubt you have that expertise either.
I can tell you that I wrote an authoritative book, Roofing Ripoff, about asphalt shingles that deteriorate sooner than they should. This short easy-to-read book contains what I know to be the root cause of this deterioration, and a simple low-cost one-time fix that you can do to make sure your asphalt shingles last 30, 40, and possibly 50 years.
CAVEAT: Any of the following information that is not taken from the Roof Maxx® website, literature, or videos invoking the Fair Use doctrine is my opinion. My opinions are based on years of hands-on roofing experience and input from scientists and roofing industry leaders that have shared their experience and knowledge with me.
What is Roof Maxx®?
This question can be answered looking at the text on the Roof Maxx® website current as of March 10, 2020:
Copyright 2020 Roof Maxx®
What is the rejuvenating spray treatment?
Roof Maxx® installers spray on a soybean-based chemical that contains a soy methyl ester emulsion (SMEE). The spray may also contain some sort of cleaning agent because Roof Maxx® claims that the spray cleans algae off roofs as part of the application.
How Long Does the Treatment Last?
Roof Maxx® is only willing to offer a five-year warranty. Look closely at the warranty language as no doubt it’s prorated. The more important consideration is, how can you make a valid claim that the product has failed and your roof is in worse shape than just after the spray was applied?
How Much Does Roof Maxx® Cost?
The video on their website as of March 10, 2020, says that the cost of the treatment is approximately 20 percent of the cost of replacing your shingle roof with new shingles. In other words, it’s an expensive product to apply. The average cost could be around $2,000 - $2,400.
How Does Roof Maxx® Work?
The Roof Maxx® company states that the patented SMEE solution replaces lost oils in the shingles, restoring their flexibility and waterproofing capability. Here’s exactly what Roof Maxx® says about how their product works.
Copyright 2020 Roof Maxx
In the Roof Maxx® PBS Mini Documentary video on the Roof Maxx® website, the narrator says:
“When installed, roof shingles have essential oil in the asphalt that allows for daily expansion and contraction. And as they age, the oil begins to dry out causing the asphalt to become brittle and crack.”
Are My Asphalt Shingles Falling Apart Because They’re Losing Oil?
In my opinion, the primary reason your shingles are falling apart is because the asphalt used to make them is not as high quality as it could have been. While there could be some oil loss, any older roofer can tell you that asphalt shingles made in the 1960s and 1970s would last for decades.
If oil loss was the primary reason for failure, then all those shingles all those years ago would have exhibited brittleness or cracking in 7-10 years. The truth is they didn’t. I offer up proof of this in my Roofing Ripoff book.
I was fortunate to have a deep-throat source for my Roofing Ripoff expose’ book. This person grew up in the asphalt shingle manufacturing business. He was also a prominent and well-known leader within the asphalt roofing industry.
He reached out to me after reading a column of mine in the Washington Post where I lamented about my failed asphalt shingle roof. I shared in that column how the Asphalt Roofing Manufacturers Association rebuked my request for answers to probing questions about why asphalt shingles were failing all across the USA.
Asphalt roofing shingles are falling apart much faster than they used to because many of the manufacturers are pre-aging the asphalt used to make the shingles. They’re blowing too much air into the asphalt before it’s applied to the mat that makes the shingles. I cover this in great detail in my Roofing Ripoff book.
Some air is required to be blown into asphalt so it doesn’t liquify and flow off your roof on a hot summer day. But blowing too much air into the asphalt starts to make it brittle where it loses its ability to hold on tightly to the colored ceramic granules and retain its flexibility
This extra oxygen causes too many asphalt molecules to cross-link to one another and the resulting asphalt shingles are then prone to being brittle even before they’re applied to a roof. The proof of this lies in the fact that many new asphalt shingle roofs experience granule loss in the months after the roof is applied. The granule loss continues to happen until such time as the roof needs to be replaced.
The protective ceramic granules start to pop off because of the asphalt’s brittle surface, causing more asphalt to be exposed to the sun’s harmful ultraviolet (UV) light. About five percent of UV light contains active photons and these powerful particles blast apart asphalt molecules exposing them to additional oxidation. The additional oxidation causes the shingles to become even more brittle.
When you open most new packs of asphalt shingles, you probably assume they’re new. The issue is that while they are new, they start to perform as if they’ve already been on your roof for 15, 20, or 25 years.
Is it Possible for the Roof Maxx® Soybean Solution to Penetrate Through the Ceramic-Coated Solid-Rock Granules That Cover My Asphalt Shingles?
My college degree is in geology, the study of rocks. The granules on your asphalt shingles are made from rock and then a thin ceramic coating is applied.
A ceramic coating is actually a thin layer of glass. Common sense would dictate that it would be seemingly impossible for any solution to penetrate through glass into the rock and then escape through the underside of the glass-coated granule to eventually get to the asphalt under the colored granules.
The Roof Maxx® company sent me a document where they maintain it can penetrate through glass. Here’s what was said in the document:
“When Roof Maxx® is sprayed on an aging asphalt-shingle roof, the treatment penetrates through the granules and is absorbed into the asphalt layer.”
I suspect what’s actually happening is the soybean product is actually passing around the granules and being absorbed into the asphalt that way.
Is There Another Method to Slow Down the Deterioration of the Shingles?
Yes. There’s not only another way to achieve the goal that Roof Maxx® is striving for, but it’s also much much cheaper and you only have to do it one time, not every five years as the Roof Maxx® company suggests.
What is the Alternative Method?
All you need to do is place a wide piece of thin copper at the top of each plane of shingles on your roof. You can apply the copper to a new roof or an existing shingle roof that is not yet showing signs of advanced deterioration like curled edges and large spots where many granules are missing.
I was the first person in the world to identify that copper prevents the oxidation of asphalt molecules on asphalt shingles. See how easy it is to install this copper in a new-roof installation? CLICK the photo or TAP HERE to order the copper strips. After a few months exposure to the elements, the bright copper dulls down to a nut-brown color.
Each time it rains, a small amount of copper washes onto the shingles. Some of the copper ions attach to the asphalt molecules that have been broken by the UV sunlight. When the copper bonds to the asphalt it prevents the cross-linking of the asphalt molecules that happens under normal oxidation.
Remember, the more asphalt molecules that cross-link, the more brittle the shingles become. The copper chemical reaction slows this cross-linking allowing your shingles to age very slowly.
The advantage of the copper method is that it’s a one-time fix.
You put it on and forget about it. You’ll never have to do anything again as long as you own your home. When you consider that you might be saving yourself from having to get a new roof, the copper method is a reasonably priced fix. You can purchase enough copper for the average roof for less than $400.00 in 2020 dollars.
I was the first person in the world to discover this beneficial chemical reaction between copper and asphalt. It happened completely by chance one day as I walked out of a restaurant in Tilton, NH and saw the roof on the old Tilton, NH post office. That photo is in my Roofing Ripoff expose’ book.
Look at how the 8-foot-wide strip of asphalt shingles look nearly perfect. This is the roof of the old Tilton,NH post office. The other shingles on either side have lost their granules and are curled as can be. The copper ions washing off the cupola roof STOP the oxidation of the asphalt. When asphalt oxidizes, the molecules cross link and become brittle. CLICK THE PHOTO NOW TO ORDER AFFORDABLE COPPER STRIPS THAT WILL SAVE YOUR ROOF.
This photo tells you all you need to know about how copper slows down the oxidation of asphalt shingles. Look at how bad the shingles are that don't get copper ions washing over them.
Did the Roof Maxx® Company contact you to Review their Product?
Yes. On Friday, February 14, 2020, Bobby Wright, who represents Roof Maxx®, sent me a message via the Ask Tim page on my AsktheBuilder.com website. He wrote:
“I'm hoping to have a live conversation with you in regards to a new product called Roof Maxx. I'm even interested in performing a free demonstration for you to get your feedback. Please contact me at (614) XXX-XXXX to discuss. I am a follower of your work and appreciate all you do for the consumer world. It would be an honor to be associated with you.”
Bobby also attached a fancy full-color document produced by the Ohio State College of Food, Agricultural, and Environmental Sciences about SMEEs.
I responded within minutes asking him when he’d be coming to New Hampshire as I imagined he thought I still lived down the road in Cincinnati, Ohio. I then recommended to him that he read my Roofing Ripoff book because I felt that his company was not fully aware of the root cause of shingle failure. They maintain it’s caused by oil loss. My research and the information from my deep-throat source say it’s caused by blowing too much air into the asphalt.
I suggested that he purchase a copy of the book, read it, send it to the scientists at Battelle Labs who developed the Roof Maxx® soy product, and then get back with me with his comments.
I heard nothing back from Bobby and at 8:38 a.m. on March 9, 2020, I sent a follow-up email to continue our conversation. Bobby didn’t respond. I then called Bobby’s direct phone number at 3:43 p.m. on March 9th, 2020. I left a message on Bobby’s voicemail. I asked him what the scientists at Battelle Labs had to say and if there was any input or response from the Roof Maxx® CEO, Mike Feazel.
I called once more on the morning of March 10, 2020, at 9:56 a.m. At 4:16 p.m. on March 10, 2020, I received a lengthy email response from the Roof Maxx® CEO, Mike Feazel. The key points were that the Battelle Labs scientists don’t dispute my approach or claims as to the root cause of shingle failure and the proven performance of copper as a way to slow down the deterioration of asphalt shingles.
He further went on to say, “However, I think we can agree that we're both attempting to help property owners achieve the same goal; Protect their investment and save money while keeping debris out of landfills.”
Mike concluded that he has no desire to take on the asphalt shingle manufacturers head-on and that, “I simply want to give property owners an option that wasn't otherwise available until now.”
What Questions Should I Ask the Roof Maxx® Salesman that Comes to My Home?
Here’s a list of questions I would ask a salesman before I’d sign a contract with a Roof Maxx® dealer:
Have you read syndicated columnist Tim Carter’s Roofing Ripoff book where he discusses what he believes to be the real root cause of asphalt shingle failure and his alternative approach to using copper rather than your product?
A vast percentage of my roof is covered with ceramic granules that act as a sunscreen to prevent UV damage. I don’t see any exposed asphalt when I look closely at a shingle. Does the soybean oil emulsion penetrate these granules? If so, how is it possible for them to get through glass? If not, then how does the soybean oil get to the asphalt underneath these granules?
How do I know if the Roof Maxx® product is working? Please give precise information how to determine this.
What is the evidence that the Roof Maxx® product is not working? If I continue to see ceramic granule loss, is that a symptom that the Roof Maxx® spray coating is not doing its job?
Is the Roof Maxx® warranty prorated?
How can I prove that the Roof Maxx® product didn’t work so I can file a warranty claim?
What documentation must I provide to make a valid claim?
Tim, What’s Your Final Opinion of Roof Maxx®?
My opinion is that the Roof Maxx® soybean solution is backed by solid science. The Battelle Labs in Columbus, Ohio, have a deep and rich pedigree.
I feel the biggest drawback with Roof Maxx® is that you must re-apply the product every few years to try to keep your roof in good shape. Whereas if you install the affordable copper strips on your roof, you never have to do anything again.
I also feel the photograph taken those few years ago at the Tilton Post Office is all the proof you need to know that copper is the best way to go. To the best of my knowledge, there are no side-by-side photos of a house roof where one half has had the Roof Maxx® treatment while the other half hasn’t. If that test had been done for 5, 10, or 15 years, then you might have full confidence that the Roof Maxx® soybean solution does indeed do what the company claims.
In my opinion, at present you can only hope the Roof Maxx® product will work. I recommend that you only hope for things that you can’t control like the weather, who’s going to win the World Series this year, and if your lottery ticket is going to be a winner.
You can absolutely slow down the deterioration of your asphalt roof by installing copper strips and know that they are working.
P.S. If you hang your hat on acid rain being part of the equation, you probably should leave your hat on your head. Look here:
Image and data courtesy of the National Atmospheric Deposition Survey, Illinois State Water Survey - Images and text retrieved using the Fair Use Doctrine from: http://www.earthtimes.org/pollution/acid-rainfall-decrease/1636/
Tim
Give them hell! I really appreciate what you have created with your page.
I have one question about installing copper on a roof. I have a Pyramid Hip Roof on my garage (2-car). When all sides meet at a single point, how would you install copper. Just a thought. Roof is about 5 years old but still in good condition.
Thanks, George
My roof is 3 years old. I live in SW Florida, is it too late to add a copper strip to the roof?
Aurora,
It is NOT TOO LATE. Do it ASAP. Look at the photo above how I installed it on my daughter's roof. CLICK the following URL to get the copper from me that I used:
https://shop.askthebuilder.com/copper-roof-strips/
Thanks for the article Tim. I have seen lots of Roof Maxx ads lately...especially on local social media and wondered about how credible the claims were. In regards to the copper. You mention using thin strips of copper. From the pics, it looks like 3 mil copper flashing. Question. Does the copper thickness matter? I assume it doesn't as the copper cupola in the photo was probably made with 16 ounce copper. Thanks again.
The thickness of the copper doesn't matter. Just use the copper I promote. It's perfect and low cost. You just need it to last as long as you're on this side of the grass:
https://shop.askthebuilder.com/copper-roof-strips/
The idea of copper makes sense. I was thinking of a length of 3/4" pipe hung on each side of the ridge cap.Would this be enough exposure?
If that was enough copper, don't you think I would have use a pipe instead of the WIDE STRIP you see in the photo above on my daughter's new home?????
GET THE RIGHT STUFF YOU NEED HERE:
https://shop.askthebuilder.com/copper-roof-strips/
This Old House has picked up on your roof recomendation. They say zinc will work, but copper is better.
Well, I'd love to see the photo or evidence that zinc works the same way as copper to stop asphalt OXIDATION.
Are you SURE you weren't watching an episode were they were talking about copper and zinc as a biocide to stop algae and moss growth? That's DIFFERENT than what this article is about, Brian. Watch my video here:
https://www.askthebuilder.com/roof-moss-video/
I read your Roof Ripoff book and fully agree with your conclusions. I also know that when someone tries to sell a "spray on" product for anything it never works.
Thanks so much for this review - that was really helpful and educated me quickly!
OMG!!! What a great article. What would we do without your expertise for guidance?
Hi Tim,
Years ago I worked for Saudi Aramco in Dhahran Saudi Arabia. I lived in a company house and I want to enclose a small patio for a little extra floor space. Of course the deal is I have to restore the house to the original condition when I leave. Since this was going to be temporary, I built very light. The roof was 1/4" plywood laid directly over a pergola type sun shield. The joints were sealed with plain old masking tape and then the whole roof including the attachments to the stucco type siding were painted with a white manufactured home roof paint. The stuff went on with the consistence of whipped cream. Temporary turned out to be 13 years, The roof never leaked and although it doesn't rain often in KSA, when it does it is monsoon scale. When I had to remove my handiwork it was a real PITA. The stuff came up in sheets about 1/8" thick and was like inner tube material, soft and pliable. Where the paint covered the masking tape joints to the adjacent wall it was nearly impossible to completely remove the adhesion was so good. What I can't help but wonder is why failing asphalt roofs aren't painted with a similar paint and easily extend the life a decade or more. Relatively cheap, easy application and remarkable results even in horrible conditions of heat and hydrocarbon exposure.
Maybe you should create some sort of 'shed' in the back yard as a demo of the copper- have protected, half not.
Ron,
I provided that proof. Didn't you look at the photo above of the old Tilton, NH post office? You can see in the photo that 80 percent of the roof is NOT protected and 20 percent is protected. What am I missing, my friend?
Why don't you setup a demo in your back yard?
I don't need to. The architect who designed the old Tilton, NH post office did the demo for you and me! WOOT! Look at the photo above and behold the magic of copper!
Hi Tim
Sounds as if Maxx Roof is replacing petroleum oil with snake oil. Why in the world would I want to pay $2000+ every 5 years to fix my roof? That says it all about how much faith they place in their product. I don’t care if they offer a LIFETIME warranty -if they embellish their descriptions of the product what’s to keep them from finding loopholes in the warranty.
This is the first I’ve heard of them but thanks to you it will also be the last.
Say what you want but I have seen Roof Maxx results in person on shingles and it really does do what they say it will. I saw it on some terrible 3-tabs that were near the end of their life and it really did rejuvenate them to be like a new asphalt shingle. I will use it in the future as my roof ages on my home.
Recently saw an ad from a local company that reps this "application". First thought I had was "Five years? for THAT price? Probably would be better to just spill paint on the whole roof." Watching a video of the application turn me off even more. Looked like they were hosing the shingles down with a LOT of run-off.
So you stated that Battelle Labs, one of the best independent laboratories in the world, backs Roofmaxx. You also say you have never used it. But you still make it sound like it doesn’t work. Hmm, I’m guessing you sell this copper stuff and are trying to put down the competition. Looks like slander to me. If I was those guys at Roofmaxx I would be talking to a lawyer.
Brian,
Where did I say it doesn't work? You're wrong. I said, "I feel the biggest drawback with Roof Maxx® is that you must re-apply the product every few years to try to keep your roof in good shape."
I do sell copper sheets. I started doing it after I made my discovery about how copper bonds with asphalt.
The review above is completely fair and simply states the facts. Any homeowner can do the same comparison.
You should also make use of a dictionary. It's obvious you have no clue what slander is.
Tell me, which RoofMaxx franchise do you own? It's pretty obvious you've got a dog in the fight.
I'll close with this. You'd be wise to grab a copy of my Roofing Ripoff book and read it to broaden your scope of knowledge.
I have a neighbor of mine that had the Roof Maxx treatment a little over 3 years ago. At the time he said that his shingles were a little over 13 years old and brittle and lots of granulars in his gutters. He loves the product and says 3 years later his roof is still more flexible than before he had it applied it and very few granulars in his gutter. My roof is about the same age and my shingles are brittle also. If I purchase your copper and put on my roof will it bring back the flexibility of my shingles like my neighbor and help keep the granular on? I have a hip roof with about 270' of top caps. How much would it cost for the copper strips only and do you know how much to have someone install them? Thank you
You just have to calculate how many linear feet you need for all the ridge and the hips. Then see how many 60-foot rolls you need. I'm very skeptical of how your neighbor is able to judge brittleness. Did he get up there and perform a test before the treatment? Did he test the SAME shingle before and after? See the issues with that kind of unscientific data? I have no idea what local installers would charge you. But you can get FREE estimates by clicking this link: http://www.homeadvisor.com/ext/32182253
Hello, yes, he told me that the dealer had him come up to the edge of the roof and showed him how the corner of the shingle would break off when it was bent back. I guess that shows how dry it is. About a week after the treatment the dealer came back to show him the difference. He says that he is still able to bend the shingles back now at the corners and they don't break. I am still possibly interested in the copper if it will do that same thing for my shingles. I would need about 4 1/2 rolls of the copper so about $ 900.00 Thanks.
The copper is cheaper from the outset and it's a one-time cost. Roof Maxx is a fee you pay every 4-5 years.
I understand it is cheaper but cheaper is not always better. Will the copper bring back the flexibility of my older shingles like that Roof Maxx spray treatment did for my neighbor? I really don't want to spend that $900 plus whatever it will cost to have someone install it if it does not work the same.
No, the copper doesn't restore flexibility of shingles. I think you're missing the point. The copper prevents the asphalt from oxidizing and grinds the aging process to a slow saunter. The Roof Maxx method is not permanent and you keep having to apply it. Why would you want to keep having to spend money when you could just pay less one time? That's a rhetorical question.
It would be a rhetorical question if I asked you again if it restores the flexibility after you answered. You did not answer this question the first time.
Thanks
I've never tested to see if it restores flexibility. I'm quite sure it doesn't. I feel the biggest mistake you might be making is proceeding with your decision WITHOUT reading my Roofing Ripoff book. If you read it, then you'd understand WHY the copper is so much better. https://roofingripoff.com
Zinc strips prevent streaking too for a fraction of the cost of copper. Roof Maxx serves a completely different issue and helps prevent against granular loss which in turn provides extended roof life.
Keith,
You missed the point entirely. Copper SIGNIFICANTLY SLOWS the aging of asphalt shingles. There is no evidence that zinc does this. I have the proof of this in my Roofing Ripoff book. Copper prevents the granular loss too and you only put the copper on one time and it costs LESS than your first Roof-Maxx treatment.
A copper strip I could see being advantageous on a new roof but don’t see how it would work on a roof 10-15 years old. Looking at the testimonials and the studies I personally feel it is at the very least a good alternative to people who don’t have the money to replace their roof but still have a need. I have a small 1 car garage that needs the roof replaced and I’m going to see how this works. I’ll let you know the results.
Rob,
If the roof is 10-15 years old and in great shape, then the copper will make it last for possibly 40 or 60 years! I'd say that's a heck of an investment. Can you imagine what it will cost to install an average asphalt roof in the year 2049?
hi, I like the copper answer. but if the top of the roof has four sides or the edge of the roof forms a square. The top like four triangles. How would I apply the copper?
Simple. You run it down the hips as you see in the photos on this page:
https://shop.askthebuilder.com/copper-roof-strips/
Tim, Your idea seems plausible and I hope you are more open to questions more than you have illustrated above.
Roof Maxx or not it seems like a self centered article...
I would like to know how many roofs you have witnessed and documented that have lasted longer because of the addition of a copper strip.
A single photo looks "nice" but doesn't prove anything.
I live 60 miles southeast of you and seriously doubt your claims. Have you considered that we get acid rain which has increased in severity over the last 30 years adding sulfur and nitrogen oxides to the equation? Installing copper doesn't eliminate all of the variables that existing in nature can add.
Show me 50+ roofs that benefit from your product and I'll buy in. Until then your chemical theories are just that. Thanks!
Ken,
Where does this acid rain come from that you claim falls from the sky? Most of the power plants have switched to natural gas from coal. Look at the image above of how acid rain has decreased significantly over the past 30 years.
The photos I added above tell the tale. That roof was subjected to all the things you feel Mother Nature is broadcasting down from the sky. How about you explain what's going on in the photos? For the record, I'm not asking you to buy-in. You have to make informed decisions based on empirical facts. The photos above don't lie. By any chance do you have a dog in the fight? Do you have a pecuniary interest in Roof Maxx say as an investor or dealer in Portsmouth, NH, or another nearby city/town?
What you have not done though that the readers can see is that you have no scientific data to back up this phenomenon. For the sake of argument, the appearance of the post office roof where the cupola is in reference to the cleaner shingle area is noticeable, and in coming to the obvious conclusion it’s from the copper. Good, that may sell books. Now on the other hand, what we don't know is this: we don't know if those shingles are dried out? We don't know if there is any thermal cracking going on, and we don't know if those shingle tabs can bend. That being said, many insurance companies will ask you to replace or you won't get insurance. In that case a roof replacement can get very expensive.
Dear sir, I have just finished some research and came along this article. After 40 plus years in the building industry I believe zinc and preferably copper do help with algae. After reading the comments here about this Roof Maxx liquid. I went to the site and watched videos and did research. So here is where I lean. I have seen this phenomenon back in the mid 60's just as you describe on the post office building. We attributed it to the copper on the lightning bolt protection system and the copper flashing on the old Victorian. I don't believe you were the first to discover this but maybe the first to write a book about it. After all, you are trying to market yourself. What you have not done though that the readers can see is that you have no scientific data to back up this phenomenon. For the sake of argument, the appearance of the post office roof where the cupola is in reference to the cleaner shingle area is noticeable, and in coming to the obvious conclusion it’s from the copper. Good, that may sell books. Now on the other hand, what we don't know is this: we don't know if those shingles are dried out?
We don't know if there is any thermal cracking going on, and we don't know if those shingle tabs can bend. That being said, many insurance companies will ask you to replace or you won't get insurance. In that case a roof replacement can get very expensive. Now if you add copper like you said, even after 5 years, damage to the shingle may have already been done, so unless you add the copper when it was new will it help but mainly with the algae. Even now some manufacturers are using copper particles to help combat the staining process and so those shingle will cost more money, but neither of these scenarios help the shingles that are dried out. I believe you know that. The Roof Maxx solution is a great answer in the tool box to help overcome this issue. I see a 5-year extended life better than a forced roof replacement.
Now we know a one sized shoe doesn't fit everyone and there is a great need for this product especially if the roof is caught earlier in the aging process a homeowner can get up to 15 years more life. With all respect, what you want people to believe is that the copper will stop or slow down the aging process with no scientific data to back that up. Sure, people are going to take the less expensive way, it’s what gives you credibility and makes you money by book sales. There are always skeptical people, that’s just the way the human nature is, and by the way, we had to replace that dried out shingle roof on that old Victorian home. That roof was 35 years old, but back then shingles were made much better and much heavier than today. That’s when they used organic paper and twice the amount of asphalt, remember those days? In finishing up I think it’s disingenuous to use your platform in this manner to give your bias opinion to people based on a products price which is backed up by scientific data. Then in saying sir, you have a right to your opinion but you don’t have a right to your own facts. TY
By the way sir, I am 82 years of age, I don't have a dog in this contest just as you have insinuated others, TY
Tim, your a fake, posted here and you deleted it
Sad, when you hide the truth. The real you shines like a dull paint job. I think I will put a youtube post with this thread and all my reply there to expose your antics!
Joe,
I didn't delete anything. For you to resort to name-calling exposes your true character. I moderate all comments and do it once a day. I'm letting your comments through - all of them - because they do a great job of illustrating to the Court of Public Opinion the depth of your ignorance. That's a saying Dr. Caster said each time he tested us in Historical Geology class. https://www.timcarter.com/kenneth_caster_-_geology_professor_uc.html
Hello Tim,
I have not read your book however I have replaced asphalt shingle roofs going back 30+ years. Prior to that I started building and repairing swimming pools. I have more pool experience. What are your thoughts about using a copper algaecide liquide to be mechanically applied to the roof. Able to make your own from crystals up to a 20% solution or purchase a lower percentage solution from your locale pool supply?
What are you going to do? Spray this on after each rain? You better read my Roofing Ripoff book NOW.
https://roofingripoff.com
I live in Honolulu, Hawaii. My roof was installed 23 years ago with 40 year Celotex Presidential shingles. It still looks pretty good, but we have noticed some loss of granulation. Is it too late to use the copper shield you recommend? Thank you.
If the roof is still in pretty good shape, it's NOT TOO LATE. Get the copper and blind nail it as you see in the top photo here:
https://shop.askthebuilder.com/copper-roof-strips/
Thanks for all your interesting info. Regarding lightning, will copper attract it? We live in Florida. Thanks.
I don't know that the addition of copper would attract lightning. No doubt lightning RODS that stick up WILL do that.
All you have to do is attach a wire to the copper strips and run it to the ground. Read up on how lightning rod systems work.
Lightning rods are not intended to attract lightening. The pointy end serves as a mechanism to bleed off electrical charges that build up on structures making them a less attractive lightening target.
Hello: We live in Northwestern Nevada. We don't get a lot of rain, will the copper still help our roof?
Rain is very important as it's required to wash the copper onto the shingles. How much is not enough? I don't know. If you can put the copper on yourself, it's a MUCH cheaper alternative than Roof Maxx. So why not try it?
I'm in Nevada too. Average annual rainfall in my area is ~9.6 inches.
Hi. I can see the RoofMaxx dealers sweating to the oldies as your post gains traction. You are correct in your statements, but that is not nearly the whole story on shingles. Your "inside man" may have left some info out of the breach. Fact is, what was 100% asphalt 30 years ago became something less over time. Some wise-ass likely thought "how can we lower costs". How about a little "filler"? What started as maybe 5% has grown to between 40% and 60%. Yes, they add bubbles to the formula, like a McDonalds shake (40% air), but they lessen the amount of asphalt dramatically, cheapen the product, shorten the life and win the stupid consumer lottery! 2nd post next
Par two:
The post office roof is a good demo, but you do need to get the copper on within maybe 10 years, or it's no good. Shot roofs might work with RoofMaxx?
Final thought... The manufacturers association is a price fixing and protection machine for those manufacturers. Prices do go up each year about 2 or 3 times inflation. You'd think it was medicine you have been buying, but it's roofing. The manufacturers make each roofer their bitch and each roofer is a free worker for the manufacturer. Well, not "free", they get a little kickback or a hat!
That's worth giving up your soul, right?
RoofMaxx is just a soy based paint, nothing more. Had it been acrylic, like the fellow from Saudi Arabia's solution, it would last 7 years clear, 15-20 colored, maybe more. The only issue is that it looks solid and pastel, which might work in Florida, but not here. Also, like all paint, red and blue fade a lot. Ever hear of "light red"? It's pink!
So I looked it up... RoofMaxx has no patent, nor exclusive. As I somewhat expected from a description from a RoofMaxx dealer that it goes on "cloudy" and dries clear. Yes, indeed, this is just an acrylic roof paint. Here is the description from the patent:
"A method of treating a substrate to seal the surface and inhibit microbiological growth using a low VOC coating composition including from about 30% to about 50% by weight of a soy methyl ester emulsion, from about 15% to about 25% by weight of a cationic acrylic resin polymer and from about 25% to about 55% by weight of water and allowing the composition to cure. The coating composition resists microbiological growth while in liquid form as well as following application and curing. The coating composition may be employed to treat architectural surfaces such as masonry and concrete and soft surfaces such as wall coverings and currency. Additives such as pigments, mineral fillers, surfactants, flattening agents and flame retardants may also be included."
Just an acrylic, not a fancy item.
MOST IMPORTANT... The university has NOTHING to do with this products formulation or manufacture. They do NOT back this product in any way, period, EVER. I hate liars! Don't work with direct sales operations that base their sales on lies.
I was interested if RoofMaxx at first until I read your article. I am now interested in copper roof strips.
I am 77 years old living alone and my roof is about 14 years old. Who will do the strips for me??? any roofers??? and the cost of labor??
I am interested
Kenny,
Any roofer worth his salt can blind nail the copper strips. Here's a link to get FREE QUOTES from local roofers:
http://www.homeadvisor.com/ext/32182253 And tell them to look at the PHOTO at the top of this page to see how to install them:
https://shop.askthebuilder.com/copper-roof-strips/
I checked into roofmaxx and came away with its best use is to put off the inevitable while you may not have the funds right now or are planning to move etc. the cost per year or two is equiable to the depreciation/degradation of a new roof over the same amount of time, ie. a roof costs so much a year the $ amount divided by the life of the roof.
If you install the copper on an existing roof over the room vent... doesn't this prevent the roof vent from working properly?
Apologies if this is a stupid question... I just have a hard time understanding how there would be sufficient air flow through the vent if it is covered with copper on both sides and nailed down every two feet.
Stuart,
There's no such thing as a stupid question.
Should you wish to RETROFIT an existing roof you have two choices. You can face nail a 12-inch-wide strip of copper on top of the 12-inch-wide ridge cap shingles.
These cap shingles cover all ridge vents. Ridge vents are made to accommodate the cap shingles without blocking air flow.
The BETTER way to retrofit a roof is to install it as you see in the photo above where the 12-inch-wide copper strip is blind nailed and folded up and over the last two courses of shingles BEFORE the ridge vent. You get maximum copper protection using this method although it's more work.
Is there some reason a new coating of ceramic and/or granules couldn't be sprayed or painted on a roof every 5 to 10 years? Thanks.
I can think of about ten reasons WHY this has never been done. The first one being the UV rays of the sun will decimate whatever adhesive is used in the process. The second one would be the insane mess. Can you imagine how you might broadcast new ceramic granules on the roof without them going everywhere around the house on the ground? Finally, imagine how hard it would be to control the appearance so the color was consistent over the entire roof. Just install the copper strips and you don't have to ever worry again!
You wrote:
"The copper ions washing off the cupola roof STOP the oxidation of the asphalt. When asphalt oxidizes, the molecules cross link and become brittle. "
Can you provide any scientific links to back up the above statement? Also, the photo of the NH post office does indeed show a difference in appearance. Despite this, how do we know for a fact that granules are still not breaking off of the shingle section below the cupola?
Well, I've got two things to back up the statement:
1. Once I observed what was happening to the shingles, I reached out to my 31,000 newsletter subscribers asking if any were physical chemists. Three got back. I showed them the photos I had and shared my hypothesis. They all confirmed I was right.
2. You just have to use your eyeballs. Look at the photos for goodness sake. The shingles outside of the runoff zone and splash zone are trashed. If you read my Roofing Ripoff book, you know the reason the shingles are trashed is because too many asphalt molecule crosslinked. So the only thing you can deduce is that the copper is like the Fountain of Youth for the shingles. This isn't hard, Cy. Just engage your critical-thinking skills.
How and where can I obtain your Roof Rip Off book
Go here to purchase my book: https://shop.askthebuilder.com/roofing-ripoff-pdf-ebook/
Excellent information, thank you.
I have an older roof, not sure the age.....I would guess around 15-20 years old. Maybe older.
But it is still in good shape. There are some "sandy" deposits in the gutter though. So some deterioration has started.
Is it too late to install the copper strips?
It sounds like the copper will work for you. HURRY before any other granules come off.
Why is there a difference between new and old roof applications?
tucked under v. folded over
Because some people don't want to go to all the effort on an existing roof to do the blind nailing. It's easy with a new roof.
What about a combination of Roof Maxx and copper for an older roof that has lost a lot of flexibility? Would the copper prolong the restored flexibility achieved with the Roof Maxx application?
Copper doesn't restore flexibility. It slows down the aging process.
if there is possible
y a ventilation issue , will any product copper or roof maxx help for at least a year or two.
2 points:
1. I believe the soy methyl ester emulsion will pernitrate the ceramic granular layer on the shingle (capillary action).
2. That moss, algae and some fungal growth deteriorate the asphalt. The copper when rained on, carries traces of copper sulfate, which inhibit this growth and protects 14 to 18 feet of roof below it. The copper can be in any form, foil strip, wire, plumbers tape, strap, tubing, etc.
Re: Copper Roof Strips
I noticed in Tim's Youtube video that he is shown nailing the copper strips to the ridgeline, yet in the photo shown above the video prompt the copper strip was nailed to the shingles one row below the roof ridgeline. Was that done because the ridgeline was vented? My roof does not have a vented ridgeline. I have no moss or algae. I am interested in preserving a 14 year old roof that has lost some granules over the years. Where should I nail it, the ridgeline or the row below?
The video of me installing it was an existing roof. The photo at the top of the Copper Roof Strips cart page is my daughter's new home where we were able to blind nail it with ease as the shingles were installed. It's hard to blind nail the copper on an existing roof, although it can be done.
Thank you ...for the infomation ..A radio ad was playing on my local radio about the Roof Maxx and I thought I should look it up and cam across your artical ..... Hard to believe people fall for this stuff
Does a roof benefit from the copper strip if it is installed on a 10, 15, 20 yr old roof?
I was in biodiesel for 8 years and soy methyl esters aka biodiesel, will dissolve asphalt so this product causes me great concern.
Jim, absolutely YES - so long as the roof is STILL IN GOOD SHAPE. Go here to order the copper strips: https://shop.askthebuilder.com/copper-roof-strips/
How effective are copper strips in areas with low rainfall? How corrosive does rain water need to be to actually have an effect on releasing the copper ions? Would this work in areas of the country in which the pH of rain is not very acidic? Also, is copper effective in removing moss & lichens or just algae? Does copper actually prevent the shingle from drying out or just prevent algae growth and granule loss. The shingles under the copper cupola, in your photo, were they still flexible? If copper can prevent aging, does that mean the roof will last forever? And if not, then what ultimately causes the shingles to fail?
You need at least 20 inches of rain a year for the copper strips to work.
I ve long searched for a way to add a "protective coating " to my roof . Being a mechanical engineer and big fan of oil additives for automotive / industrial rotating equipment- I hoped someone had developed a spray on it roller-applied solution by now. I'm not surprised,however, that a plant based product was attempted. I feel you are right about products such as Roofmaxx-. The principal's shying away from a face-to-face straight up transparent conversation on the products actual performance capabilities left a big red flag.
I’m thinking about opening a Roof Maxx business. If I choose to instead go your route, how would I go about it?
I live in an arid area...we only receive an average of 7 inches of precipitation a year. How would the copper strips benefit me? My roof is 25 years old...and every summer for 3-6 weeks, we have over 100 degree days.
Faye,
The bad news is that's not enough rain to make the copper work well. You need at least 20 inches a year to get enough copper down onto the shingles.
Well, you might want to buy copies of my Roofing Ripoff book in BULK as other companies do that see the brilliance of installing copper. You have to contact me privately to get a BULK price. You hand a book to the prospect as a gift and thus invoke the psychological trigger of RECIPROCITY. You giving the prospect a GIFT is quite powerful. Highlight the chapter about my copper discovery and then leave their house. Call them the next day or two days later and close the deal.
Hi,
I live in Pepperell, MA. It's right on the NH border near Brookline, NH.
I'm interested in getting the copper strips installed on my roof. Could you recommend a contractor who has done this before?
Much thanks,
Tom
Tom,
I don't know any roofers down south. Sorry! ANY roofer should be able to install my copper as you see in the TOP photo here by BLIND NAILING it:
https://shop.askthebuilder.com/copper-roof-strips/
If the Roof Maxx solution does not get through the glass in the shingle then how does the copper?
Interested to see the responses.
I would like to see the Roof Max Reviews please. We are considering using this product on a condominium project to buy some time before reroofing all of the buildings. The roofs are approximately 18 years old.
I live in southern Cali, we only get about 10-20 rainy days. How would the cooper do its job if it doesn't rain?
HI Tim
My name is Alan Stevens. I purchased a Roof Maxx dealership recently. The first thing I did when I received the product was to take two 10-15 year old shingles I had leftover from my project years ago, checked them to see if they were brittle (which they were), laid them side by side an sprayed one with the recommended Roof Maxx soy/water solution and waited 24 hours. In fact, the shingle I sprayed was thicker, pliable and seemingly restored. I am not a scientist, but a skeptic and had to run the test myself. Prior to becoming a dealer, I watched all the videos etc but had not actually seen the results.
It would be prudent for all roofers to install a copper sheet as suggested but planned obsolescence is a way of life in this country and fuels manufacturing. I doubt they will be installing copper on roofs only to circumvent their own industry.
If in fact, the copper works, I will forego spraying my own roof, save the product and install copper!
BTW, Bobbie Wright is so busy that he probably forgot to call you back. He's a great guy but has too much on his plate. Not only is he running dealer support, but he has a few dealerships himself.
Great article - if copper is the answer is there a way to spray colloidal copper on the shingles?
You are correct in your evaluation of blown asphalt being more brittle. Asphalt is basically asphaltenes and maltenes by blowing the asphalt your taking out a portion of maltenes. The fewer maltenes the more asphaltenes you have. Weathering and oxidation does this as well making the asphalt binder more brittle and losing its ability to hold onto the aggregate. Same as on our roads older the road the more aggregate is lost. Rejuvenation ads back into the aged asphalt maltenes or oils. They do not penetrate the aggregate or glass but go around them into the asphalt. I assume there are polymers in this product like other similar products. Polymer will help with aggregate retention. The oils and polymer are resistant to weathering but not weather proof they will oxidize like the oils before but will add years to your roof life. Reapplication is cheaper in the long run than just replacing your roof. I'm interested in your copper solution. Are there any studies on this?
This is not regarding Roof Max but I found your information very helpful. I’m now interested in the copper strip.
1)If you employ the copper strip AND a ridge vent is there any galvanic corrosion between the two?
2)The ridge plies above the copper must require replacing or perhaps another layer in, say 30 years.
3) I have another home with shake shingles that has a lead strip where you put the copper strip. What is its purpose?
Thanks for the review and the copper suggestion. We have a 40 year nominal roof with 20 years on it and are planning to install solar arrays. Copper strips may be just the thing to extend the life of the roof to match that of the panels.
Tim:
I am from Columbus, Ohio. My mom has an old roof...decided how to extend the life. I learned of RoofMaax which for me is a local company. At first glance, the science seemed sound, but I understand your analysis. When did you make the Tilton, NH Post Office discovery? I am much more intriqued by your copper strip method...super easy and one time up the ladder. Thanks, Don
Interesting information
Tim,
I have noticed that unpainted non-ferrous metal on asphalt shingle roofs tends to reduce or eliminate algae growth "down roof" from the flashings. I've also noticed that organic shingles, like those in the Triton photo, did tend to deteriorate more slowly below non-ferrous flashings. Fiberglass shingle deterioration is not as visually obvious, and I cannot say that I have noticed slower deterioration on those shingles in similar circumstances. Your premise that copper oxides inhibit asphalt oxidation is very interesting. I'll be keeping an eye out for evidence of this occurring.
Where do you purchase the copper strips that you are using in the picture that you posted in this article?? It’s obvious that you have found a very viable solution to roof tile deterioration. Loved your article and want to try your copper method.. my roof was replaced 17 years ago and is still in “fair” condition but getting brittle
Awesome review. Obviously installing the copper sheeting on a new roof provides the best protection but will it still provide (to a lesser degree) added protection to a 13 year old roof?
I would like to read the 105 responses to the Roof Max Review
Thanks for this review. I was tempted to contact Roof Maxx but have decided not to. I live in Orlando and we have deleterious heat and UV on top of hurricane force winds. I thought that this product was actually a binder or glue, which would have made more sense to use on an older roof. I need a reroof right now. Will the copper strips actually work at a late stage? Thank you
Hi. I have a question. I live in south eastern Michigan have a normal pitched roof I do have tall trees and moisture in my area. I’m most interested in what you think are still really good quality long lasting shingles, based on your comment about the asphalt in the too much oxygen blown in. I’d love some specific information so I know exactly what I tell my roofer that I want. Yes, I’ll do the copper thing too, but I also want to start out with really good shingles. Thank you for your response in advance. Sincerely, David Herman
Thanks for this article - interesting read.
In researching the Roof Maxx product I ran across your review. Is there anyone in the North/Northwest Suburbs of Chicago that does this Copper installation for Roofs. Thanks for educating the Homeowners
We had Roof Maxx from Sommerset KY do our roof. We are very very pleased. Very professional and fantastic job and the price was reasonable. Thank You Patrick!
This is fascinating. I was googling to see if Roofmax actually worked and how it worked. I really wanted to see the chemical they use - I knew it was a soybean based product - and find out if there were any alternatives. This is a great idea with the copper. Smart move!
Great article. Lots of truth in the information. I've been in the roofing industry 20+yrs. There are multiple options for this issue. Copper striping, copper ridgevent, zinc strips, and many others. Asphalt conditioner is also beneficial. You can treat you shingles with penatrating breathable sealants to add to the life span. Is roof maxx a viable option, sure. Is copper and zinc stripping viable, sure. Can you combine these, sure. You can even potentially add copper infused granules to aged roofs. A home owner could have a roof maxx treatment, seal that with a quality shingle sealer(clear). And install stripping at all ridge points and add many years to an aging roof. The shingle hustle is really coming under fire ( justifiably so) and the cost of roof replacements is getting to the point of costing new car kind of money. There are also roof coating products that are a great option for aged roofing and in some cases are as simple as painting your deck. Just do your due diligence and research. Set a feasible budget and list your options. Get multiple estimates and hire a consultant in the field ( an unbiased third party)
Great article...
Is it worth putting the copper strips on an old roof (top quality installed late 80’s) that is still in good shape? And who would we contact to do that?
How come no roofing contractors offer the lower cost copper method of protecting asphalt shingle roofs?
So what about galvanic reaction down hill of the copper? In my opinion depending on what is down hill doing anything to a shingle roof can have costly consequences. Just recently I responded to a customer whose copper gutters were ruined by a cleaning solution used to clean roof. Insurance paid us $16000 to replace. Every action there is a reaction.
I did not see any copper on the Post Office roof. But, if you look at two story homes that have have a protrusion in the roof, be it a bedroom window, or even a vent, those block the rain run off from the roof, and those shingles look much newer than the rest of the roof.
I am not disputing your findings, as I did not know what copper did for a roof, and it sounds like a great idea. Just pointing out that what I explained above does the same
What's on the cupola roof?
How do you get someone to properly put the copper on? Our roof is about 20 years old, we live in FL. Would that help?
I was intrigued when I saw an ad for RoofMaxx and thought that it would be a good thing to apply on my roof which has 30yr architectural shingles installed 12 yrs ago. I started looking for customer comments and reviews and came across your Review. You are totally correct and I stand with you in your conclusion. I will purchase copper strips and promote your book and review. Thank you for looking out for the consumer. It is sad when we are sold something based on perception, and trying to be "GREEN". Since the company failed to respond to you in a timely manner, it is indicative that you are correct, and they only want the customers Green cash. Thank you.
Is it worth putting the copper flashing on a 15 or 20 year old roof, or would that be too late? I assume the flashing cannot restore the shingles, like Roof Maxx claims its soybean oil can.
Thank you for the information.
So who do I hire to put the copper strips on my roof? Not physically capable of doing it myself
i am a roofer in central fl and found your reasons for asphalt failure in shingles very informative. i am going to look really smart to customers now thanks to you.
My roof is approximately 11 years old, how will the copper work on it
interesting info abour the copper strip
worth looking into, my opinion.
Thank you for the interesting report.
What effect would the copper have on shingles that are have begun to show signs or are already deteriorating? It seems Roof Maxx is directed more towards scenarios like these? In our case, we have a brand new roof and I am now seriously interested in the copper, who would you recommend we to call to have install these installed? On the other hand, I am also a realtor and see Roof Maxx as a great alternative/option for buyers and sellers alike as well as the copper, do you know if the product has any effect on the roof deck? What if the plywood is soft even if in only one or more areas? Is this mentioned or addressed based on your findings? Enjoying your articles thus far, thank you so much for such dedication to the well being of others, your wealth of knowledge is priceless. Blessings!
I don't see any controlled studies that show a benefit to the Soy Oil treatmnet of asphalt shingles. If you had a single roof and half was treated with RoofMaxx and the other half left untreated and it was an apples to apples study of the weathering effects over time- then that would be one thing. To spew technobabble like the 'hydrocarbon backbone' or catalyst technology that allegedly reintroduces flexibility into the shingles sounds like snake oil. Further- the Asphalt Roofing manufacturers will void the warranty on shingles should an aftermarket coating be applied. This is a total scam.
Very interesting article. Thank you for the information that you have provided.
I am presently talking to a Roof Max salesperson, he advises me that my roof is savable and possible two more year of service. With Roof Max he can eliminate approx one-half of the granule loss and will give me a 5 year warrenty . At first he added for the cleaning but I believe he will as part of the job at no extra cost. Question: What should be the price per sq foot for this work. I have approx. 3000 sq ft under roof. I live in theSouth, Gulf Shores, Alabama
sounds interresting. But I heard about on a home show and wanted to no do they have a company in michigan around warren?
Eye opener. Thanks
Wondering how old a roof can be, and still be able to install the copper strip, and have it work? We have a 20-ish year old roof, that still looks pretty darn good, but it starting to show its age. Would it be worth it to install the copper?
I am wondering if this copper technique works as well in areas with high oxidation and low rain, like Southern California.
Your copper theory is interesting especially based on the photo. This week as I'm out and about I'll be purposely searching for buildings with cupolas to look for any differences in the shingles. I like the theory but I'd like to see more proof, thanks
like the idea of copper strips where to buy
thank you
does the copper strip fix work as well in oregon as in the mid west or say pennsylvania
I really appreciate your well written review - very helpful and informative. Thank you!
I haven't signed a contract as of yet.They haven't sent me a quote YET either??#
Thank you. Very interesting information.
I was doing an estimate several years ago on a church .. the shingles were mostly in bad shape ... except under the copper steeple and at the copper step flashed walls... and since then ive noticed again several different times shingles always apear to be in better shape near copper
A reapplication of Roof Maxx every few years should be mentioned by Roof Maxx.
Thanks for a well written article on roof longevity techniques. I have a 50 year composite roof that is 15 years old and would like some advice as to how to extend the life of the roof. The downside is that roof has a 12/12 pitch with 4 dormers so a diy is difficult best. Any suggestions?
Copper sounds like an interesting solution, and one I want to try. However, I don’t see it sold anywhere, not even through the link you have. Why is that? Have you had any scientists back this, or is it just an idea based on a picture and your general knowledge of chemistry? Also, in looking at a close up of that picture of the post office roof, it looks as though those are old organic shingles - much different from what is made today. Is that the case? Lastly, I am trying to see the logic in you saying nothing penetrates the ceramic granules. If this was the case, then what is the purpose of the asphalt? Isn’t the asphalt the water repellent and the granules meant to reflect the UV? I can’t grasp how a bunch of little rocks create an impenetrable barrier. Seems illogical. Mostly because you see a wet roof after a rain, just like you see a wet asphalt road. If water penetrates past the granules leaving a temporary wet look, wouldn’t an oil? Please clarify this point. Thank you!!
excellent report
seems straight forward and a believable writeup
What a wonderful article. It's so refreshing to have a review based on scientific evidence. I do have a couple of questions.
1) Do you know of any asphalt shingle manufacturers that manufacturer the correct way without blowing too much air into the process?
2) Are there roofers that offer the installation of copper sheets and labor price per square foot?
interesting! thank you!
So, Which is it guys?
I've read good and bad things about RoofMax.
Is it worth the money?
Does it really work?
I'm thinking about becoming a dealer.
Please give me Ur general review!!! Thank U so very much, Best Regards, George Hreno
The other issue I have is the growth of moss (especially on the north side). It seems to push up the shingles as it grows. Does the copper strip stop or reduce the moss growth? I have always heard that zinc is the solution.
Very interesting. I will research this further, and may do this to my own home. Thanks for the informative review.
Our roof is actually approaching its life expectancy of 30 years. After reading your opinion of Roof Max I am rethinking my approach to our aging roof. My question is will the copper rejuvenate an older weathered asphalt roof, or will it just prevent any further degradation. In the postoffice picture, the shingles below the cooper did appear to show some weathering, no where near the others though. I look forward to continuing this discussion. I am very interested in looking into the copper technique.
So how can I find someone to install the copper strips?
Are Roof Maxx and Greener Shingles basically the same product?
I have enjoyed your column as being very valuable over many years. I recall seeing your comments possibly in a prior column. I know the copper will eventually change color. My question is the color change, if any, on the shingles between the copper strip and the lower drip edge of the roof.
Why not spay a copper solution on shingles
how thick of copper do i need?
Just met with a RoofMax salesman. They quoted $5400 to condition my home which is 3,658 ft2. Another $600 to first clean the black alge off and some places where moss is growing on shingle edges. $6000 total was enough to send me in search of alternative opinions. Could a person apply a "plant based soybean oil" DIY. Doesn't seem that difficult to me if knowing the right product to apply. I can certainly clean the algae myself and do some minor repairs such as a PVC boot replacement, some ridgevent single lifting, and sealing some other shingles, as well as new sealant around skylights.
The copper strips is a new and interesting idea, but in your own picture, the space below the comparative is not total void from no shingle damage. ? What if a person did both? Oil and the copper strip. Rejuvenating the oil in the shingles seem like a good idea, even if it is not completely absorbed. Not that I know anything, just looking for advise and what worth the price and what isn't.
I have a 20 yr old shingle roof in Albuquerque,NM.
What do you think about spraying roofmaxx once and installing copper strips ?
Tim --I'm a long time subscriber to your newsletter. and have recently read Roofing Ripoff which I found interesting and informative. Have also read your critique on Roof Maxx. I live in my 22 year old home in a suburb of Akron Ohio and consider myself fortunate because from the ground my shingles look to be in good condition and I doubt they need to be replaced. Roof Maxx will be quoting me in the next week, so at this time I feel prepared to speak with them. I've also been contacted by a Co selling a similiar spray on product called Roof Renew and wonder if you have had any contact or comments on their product. This is made by a Canadien company. Their website is "greenershingles.com" . My questions are 1) Is my roof too old to benefit from Copper strips 2) Would you be inclined to not be in favor of either Roof Renew or Roof Maxx. Perhaps I should just wait and replace the roof in 3-4 years. Thanks for your time.
Hello, can you tell me what gauge copper would be best, and how many inches of it exposed to the weather also, I was under the impression that zinc strips will do the same thing. Would you know if this is true? Thank you, David
Thanks, interesting and informative
Can I formulate my own roof maxx
Can the copper strip be painted a dark color or would that prevent the leaching effect?
On an existing roof the strip would be slid under the uppermost layer of shingles and nailed down with sealant over the nails ? What out the ridge? Should it instead be applied over the ridge to leach copper down both sides of the roof?
We have 14 yrs. old roof and I saw granules coming out of the gutter a lot. I don't consider replacing the roof and was looking into Roof maxx method. After reading this article I want to try copper method, but isn't it too late when the granules washed off? How and who will determine about benefit of the copper method when any roofer will only want to replace the roof? Will copper work only when the roof is relatively new?
Is there a shingle with copper granules made?
Do the copper strips released ions rolling down the roof negatively impact aluminum gutters?
If my asphalt roof is 20 years old in Milwaukee WI, (with bitter cold winters and hot summers) and in reasonably good condition (for being 20 years old), would your copper strip method still work well to extend the life of my roof for a number of years, or is it too late?
If you apply Roof Max during the winter will the shingle absorb the coating? What is the ideal time or temperature to apply the product?
Yes
Why isn't there some sort of rubberized or other synthetic spray that could protect indefinitely?
You don't state the length of the copper strips. How do I know how many I'm supposed to order?